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OT: Inexpensive Web Authoring Tools (Long)

Robert Hutchins

>With all the talk lately about web sites, coding, and tools, I thought I'd seek the assembled wisdom in regard to web authoring tools . . . primarily web design and code generating software, but also editors and code mergers, release managers, et al. I spent hundreds of thousands of corporate dollars on software development and maintenance tools before retirement. I understand from hard-won experience what productivity gains in this sphere are worth when supporting critical applications and large user bases.

First, let me say that I cracked my knuckles on code back in the mid '60s on an IBM, transistor-based, mainframe. I wrote code (Autocoder, BAL, COBOL, PL1) for a few year then moved on to project management and overall IT management which means that I gave up the ability to maintain programming knowledge and skills. Fast forward to a year and little ago - I was asked to develop a web site for my high school class (the men, geezers all and the women still hotties). That put me back into learning mode, but retirement income severely restricted my budget for classes and software tools. Most of what I've learned has been from books and from the web - especially forums dedicated to specialty subjects. I'd say I'm an advanced beginner now (certainly far from being ready for prime time) with HTML (and variants), CSS, PHP and a smattering of javascript and VBscript thrown in. I've not spent more than $30 for any software tool - most of them have been freeware/shareware.

With all the talk about the inefficiency of writing files by hand, I became curious about web authoring tools. Pagemaker and Dreamweaver are far to expensive for me. I've downloaded several trial-packages but find the learning curves to be onerous. I also found a need for tools that allow one to compare files and to merge files or to do multi-window cut and paste to be useful. Lastly, I wondered about tools for managing the version, updating, uploading control process.

What web authoring tools do you use? What are their strengths and weaknesses? What can you not live without and what do you find just nice to have for when you need it?

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Donald Pierson

>Robert,

I started in 1956 on a machine having vacuum tubes, relays, large rotating drum and then moved to a IBM 701 in the summer of 1957 at Douglas Aircraft but those days are long gone. I had the same problem as you when I decided I wanted to publish a website. I opted to upgrade my Visual Basic 6 to Visual Studio 20005 Standard edition which allows you to windows programs and website programs. MS offers a free version named Express edition. You can download it free and there are books that have it on DVD. It moves you into the .NET world of software design that is steeped in classes, components, and objects. It maybe more of a challenge for us oldtimers and the youngsters that are just starting.

I have been working on my first and only website and it works on computer as a local host ASP.NET server that is part of VS2005. I need to put the finishing touches on it before I publish it. Based on the client's design inputs it generates templates for twisted dovetail joints. It is programmed in Visual Basic with some HTML and javascript throw in. The most difficult part was how to print out the templates on the client's printer that are dimensionally accurate...one inch comes out one inch on the printed page.

Here are some snaps of the user interface and the HTML frames of the templates....

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

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Bob Lemon

>Robert, Check out this site for some free software. WebPlus 6 is free and WebPlus 8 is under $10. They also have their latest WebPlus 10 for $80.

http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/

I use Nvu (free) for editing. The link below is to the web site I built. Relatively simple to work.


Built w/WebPlus 8

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albertabob

>I just started working with Nvu.

How does it stack up in the big picture?

I was intrigued with the ability to edit from this platform as well as the "real ones".

I know one thing for sure after many years at the helm of a CPU.

I will never try to emulate the pros... I am just looking for the best pro solution for my small business needs.

Those guys are good... real good>

bob

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How many tools do you have?

Mark Goodall - ATL - tooljunkie

>Asking for one web authoring software is a little like a woodworker asking which tool should he get? A router, a tablesaw, a jointer? Which one?

There is no ONE piece of software that does it all. I'll even say there is no ONE piece of software that does enough, really. I use DreamWeaver, and yes it's expensive and has a steep learning curve. I also use Visual Studio Web Express. And notepad, and Sivual Basic and dozens of other little programs, mostly shareware/freeware. Each does it's job and it's part in the project. Just like there is no one woodworking tool that does eveything you need, there is no software that does it all either. And once you master one, you find your needs grow and you need something else.

Dreamwaever with all it's power isn't super a comparing files. I have some software that let's me compare files in many places at once. Great for my motorcycle website, where I have a Master list of about 250+ photos of bikes, and use another piece of software that creates thumbnails and other sizes of these photos automatically, then I use the compare software to verify that my 9 folders (3 on my PC and 3 on the test server and 3 on the prod server) are equal. I used about 6 different compare software until I found one that suited my needs.

FrontPage is easy but produces garbage code that messes more people up than helps people. Dreamweaver has a steep learning curve, but you can find older (legitamte) version of Dreamweaver fairly cheap on eBay sometimes. The Visual Studio group of tools has an even steeper learning curve but it's free.

If you want to learn what 95% of the internet is done in, then it's Unix, PHP and Dreamweaver. The thing about Dreamweaver is that it's more of a HTML manager (and extremely efficient once you know what to do) rather than a HTML generator, like FrontPage and others are.

Hope this helps more than adds to the confusion ;)

Happy Woodworking!

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Steve Strickland

BBEdit and CS2 Pro

Steve Strickland

>About $1500 for both packages. They can't be beat at any price.

I know nothing about the amateur stuff.

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Ron in Drums PA

>Here is a great free program.

Its based on the old Netscape 7.2 Composer code


NVU

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John McGaw

>Right now I use MacroMedia HomeSite and TopStyle Pro although the latter is only an embellishment over the free version of TopStyle which comes with the former. I also own "A Real Validator" although what it does at a small cost can be done for free, if more slowly, with W3C's online HTML validation products.

I learned to write HTML the same way I did assembly language and a half-dozen programming languages which followed: brute force and a text editor and until my website got too large to easily maintain that way I didn't even consider moving on. I finally settled on HomeSite because it is as close as I could get to a straight editor with HTML features and functions built in. I tried various WYSIWYG products ranging from the free to the outrageously expensive and found every one of them unwieldy and unproductive. And not one of them ever actually yielded a reliable WYSIWYG result or clean code.

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Dean Johnson

>I've used this for several years to code intranet web site---PERL HTML etc...

It does the job quite nicely and the price is exactly right---


HTML KIT

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