Table saw options

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Hoa Dinh in Alameda

>"the Hitachi 10" Stationary table saw for $500....hmmm, new 3HP saw for $400 more then the repaired 25 year old motor...."

Look again. Hitachi for whatever reason decides to use "maximum-developed" HP rating (3HP) instead of the more truthful continuous rating (1.5HP).

"the new Craftsman Pro cabinet saw with the Biesemeyer fence setup for $800.00

I think this is commonly described as a hybrid saw, not as a "cabinet" saw. It is a good value for $800.

If you have 240V, for not much more than $800 + tax, check out the Grizzly 1023 cabinet saws. Some configurations are about $1000 delivered.

I didn't make things any easier for you, did I?

-- Hoa

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George@Colonel's Workshop-Havertown PA

>Good Afternoon Wade,

I too saw that Sears ad this morning, and that hybrid (I think Hoa is right on)features a 1 1/2 hp motor, so the power is about equal, and satisfactory. I like the Bies fence of the Craftsman. However, my personal bias against Sears, after years of "shoulda known betters" would lead me to the Grizzly 1023 in a heart beat. I've used the Grizzly briefly, but have never tried the Hitachi. You get a much more powerful saw with the Grizzly.

George

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John Lucas

>Check out the Steel City tools table saws. They sure look nice and seem to be built well but I haven't been able to run one yet. The fences all seemed to lock down well and they put some serious thought into the design. I don't remember the pricing so you'll have to check and see how that is.

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J. Robison

>No experience with the Craftsman but it got a favorable review about a year ago in Workbench magazine (I think) partly due to the Bies fence.

Maybe find out who builds it and what other brands they build for a clue on quality/reliability.

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Guy Kroll

>Wade, I have the Craftsman table saw that is one step down from the one you are looking at. Same saw, just not with as many options. For the price it is a great machine. I have had it over a year now and have had no issues at all. I think you would be pleased with its performance.

Guy

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Guy Kroll

>Wade, I don't know where you live. But if you are close to Northeast Pa, I would be more then happy to let you test drive my table saw. Just e mail me or message me on here.

Guy

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wudwork

>Wade, you just went from $100 to $1k in a few minutes. Only a casino can do that!! If the $100 will get you back to your needs, why change. When I faced similar decision, I ended up with $1500 Unisaw. Trust me, there is no upper limit to this logic. Perhaps your wife can make suggestion?? ha ha

SWMBO really means "some" wives, not all.

Tom

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knotscott

>Hi Wade - I've had the 22124 hybrid for about 20 months now and have been extremely happy with it, as have the vast majority of others who own one, including a good friend of mine who was also pondering the General 650, Unisaw, and Griz 1023. The 22124 is not on the same level as a full blown 3hp cabinet saw, but it's capable of everything a hobbyist will need it to do. It's got a great fence, 1-3/4hp motor, good DC, lotsa table space, it's extremely stable and has plenty of power with proper blade choice. It was an upgrade from a very good GI 50-185 contractor saw.

The 22124 is made by Orion who also makes the Steel City line, which is another option I'd look into. The 22114 should have several of the same advantages as the 22124, minus the Biese fence and a few minor things....decent deal IMO at ~ $550.

I haven;'t used the Hitachi, but I'm none too impressed with what I've seen. The fence is fairly poor by today's $500 standards, the legs and wings also appear weak, and while the wheels are a nice idea, they require 8 indepedent actions to move and reset the saw. The reports from owners that I've read have been mixed. If $500 is your mark, this one would be one of my last choices in that range. Lowe's has a decent deal on the Delta contractor saws that I like better.

You should be able to sell off the parts of your saw to offset the cost.


http://www0.epinions.com/content_184778395268

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ScottS

>I'd drop the Hitachi and add the Ridgid TS3650 to the mix. It's around $550 at your local Home Depot and most magazines picked it as the best-in-class contractor saw...

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Stuart Hough

>I'll toss in my 1 3/4 cents worth....

I have owned a Craftsman 22114 for about 2 years now. I have had very good results with this saw with the exception of the fence. It will deflect approx. 3/32" when I am ripping a board or cutting a sheet of plywood. If you can afford it I would pop for the 22124, or at least get the Biesemeyer fence they offer in the accessories section of the catalog. It would make a world of difference. As it is ...I have to clamp the back end of my fence to the back rail to keep it in place.

On another note...if you look very closely at the new Delta and Grizzly hybrids, I think you'll see that they come from the same factory. All the fixtures are the same, as are the dimensions and architecture, with the only differences being the flare at the bottom of the Grizzly, and the styling on the motor covers. The internals look to be exactly the same as my Craftsman.

Hope this helps!

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knotscott

>... "On another note...if you look very closely at the new Delta and Grizzly hybrids, I think you'll see that they come from the same factory. All the fixtures are the same, as are the dimensions and architecture, with the only differences being the flare at the bottom of the Grizzly, and the styling on the motor covers. The internals look to be exactly the same as my Craftsman" ...

Stuart - that's not correct, and I think it's worth clarifying for others. These three saws have very different trunnion systems....the Craftsman has cabinet mounted trunnions with oversized connecting rods, the Delta has conventional table top mounted trunnions with the oversized connecting rods, and the Grizzly G0478 has one piece cast blade shroud mounted to the table top. The Delta's motor and drive system appear to be the same as the Craftsman, but it's alot different than the Griz. Grizzly's website has a pic of their motor and trunnion mounted to the top.

http://images.grizzly.com/grizzlycom/pics/jpeg500/g/g0478_det4.jpg

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knotscott

>... "On another note...if you look very closely at the new Delta and Grizzly hybrids, I think you'll see that they come from the same factory. All the fixtures are the same, as are the dimensions and architecture, with the only differences being the flare at the bottom of the Grizzly, and the styling on the motor covers. The internals look to be exactly the same as my Craftsman" ...

Stuart - that's not correct, and I think it's worth clarifying for others. These three saws have very different trunnion systems....the Craftsman has cabinet mounted trunnions with oversized connecting rods, the Delta has conventional table top mounted trunnions with the oversized connecting rods, and the Grizzly G0478 has one piece cast blade shroud mounted to the table top. The Delta's motor and drive system appear to be the same as the Craftsman, but it's alot different than the Griz. Grizzly's website has a pic of their motor and trunnion mounted to the top.

http://images.grizzly.com/grizzlycom/pics/jpeg500/g/g0478_det4.jpg

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John Cotten

>Wade, not sure where you are, but $800 can get you a Jet cabinet saw with a Beismeyer fence and extension tables from a friend of mine who is a cabinet maker here in Harrodsburg, KY. Let me know if you are interested. Unless he has sold it in the past couple of days it was available last week. It is in great condition, and has been well cared for. He is moving from a 10" saw up to either a 12" or 14". The saw runs perfectly.

Call me on my cell at 859-583-7881 if you are interested.

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Lee Gordon

>Just a small detail, but there are 3 Craftsman hybrid models. The 2 lower end versions have 1 1/2 horsepower motors but the top of the line model (the one that comes with the Beis fence) has a 1 3/4 horsepower motor.

I own the Craftsman

Charles Sharp

>I've had the Craftsman with the Bies fence for a couple of years now and love it.

There are however 2 minor things I would change: (1) A larger motor, (2) A longer arbor.