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Veneer---storing veneer�

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Veneer---storing veneer�

Phil Winn

>Veneer---storing veneer�

Need some suggestions on how to store veneer for the long term. Presently, I have a few 4 foot by 12 foot by 1� thick plywood - framed and supported shelves, where I un-roll the veneer pieces and stack them by the bunch-the widest and longest on the bottom, the second largest on top, etc., etc. On the very top, I place another piece of 1� plywood on top. The room is temperature controlled high of 72 degrees F and a low of 66 degrees F. The Relative Humidity is between 30 % and 40% giving an EMC (Equilibrium Moisture Content of between 6 and 7%).

I have some rare/spectacular veneer which I would love to store for the long term-some for 20 to 30 years; others for 60 to 70 years; and others much longer. Any suggestions on what to do? Keep the same storage plan? Do something different - what? Pros and Cons for long term storage? Even some suggestions on where to find the information; or which people to ask---would be very helpful.

Why am I doing this? I would love to have some rarer veneers available for woodworkers to see and possibly use -- far in the future. While I will likely die sometime with the next decade or two, I have a law firm which will take care of my wishes.

Thanks all,

Phil

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HC Sakman

>Hi Phil,

Veneers should never be stored up high in a heated space (even unheated space, especially if the sun can heat that place in summer). In a dry place, veneers turn into brittle patato chips. I keep them in a wooden shed, where there's constant moisture and summer time I put 2 buckets of water in there to keep it humid. Even crotches and burls feel like dough. I have no idea about EMC figures, but I tell you this:

1-Keep it in a humid place, but not too humid that mold will grow on veneers. Actually, it should have some ventilation, yet around 40 to 50% humidity.

2-Keep them flat, preferably in between unprinted cardboard sheets.

3-Sorted by flitches.

4-Never keep them in a bone dry, warm place.

That's it.

Chico...

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Brian in Sandusky, OH

>I think Chico has the right idea.

When storing veneer, it's kind of the opposite of lumber. You want the veneer to be a little humid, but not to where it will mold.

If it gets too hot and dry, veneers chip. If they are rather moist, it's no big deal as they acclimate within a day or so to a dryer environment, and then you are set to go with your project...you don't have to wait months like you would lumber.

bg

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Barry Irby

>Phil, I have no experience storing veneer and will be interested in the answers. My first thought was to put the whole stack you mentioned into a vacuum bag and seal it up forever, but aparently from what the others say, that is the wrong approach. Vacuum would keep insects and mold out.

I would contact the Forest Products Laboratory and see what their experts say. I would also contact the forestry departments at major universities. VA Tech, NC State, and schools in Tenn. come to mind because they support major portions of what is left of the US furniture industry. I'm sure there are others also.

Might also contact the Martin Guitar works, famous for their huge band saw that George Nakashima used and perhaps piano makers (Steinway?).

There are ledgandary stories about veneer logs. One story has it that a log of rosewood(?) was sliced into veneer many years ago and has passed from investor to investor. There are hundreds or thousands of flitches. They have been kept in order so the "log" has been reassembled. Someone took it apart and photographed each flitch to make it more attractive for the next investor or end user.

Another thought would be to look around for a museum (of natural history?) or some sort of Industrial Arts Center that would take your collection and preserve it and make it available to the public.

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PS, A silly thought.......

Barry Irby

>Just to get this out of the way, because I see it coming, you could send it all to me, or someone here at WC. We could use it promptly to make important things like cat coffins or dog food storage boxes.

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Earl Kelly

>Phil,

If it was me, I would contact Certainly Wood, Herzog Veneers and Jim Martin at Marwood. They deal with veneers everyday and should have some good advice.

Earl

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