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Monday-Start it off right.

A wood common of America and previously exported out of the U.S. is now the bane of existence to other continents where it took hold. Massive amounts of money are being thrown at eliminating the plant sometimes identified as the perfect weed (their term not mine as I don't consider this a weed). This flora, is considered to be more invasive, dangerous, and harder to control than wild onions, ornamental grasses (like pampas, feather, or bamboo), thistles, and morning glory. When other species were brought in to eliminate it it actually aided in killing that species to such an extent the practice was stopped. What wood am I talking about? Note/hint: It is not kudzu or hydrilla it is a wood.

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#2

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Are you referring to a Shrub or Tree here?

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#3

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Is this a tree/shrub related to trees that were used in windbreaks in the midwest, misnamed after an anchient tree grown around the world for oil and fruit?

John

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#4

Could be...

either depending on definition. It grows to 50 feet so hardly a shrub, but also has multiple woody stems and can appear as a bush depending on age and location.

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#5

You might be headed...

in the wrong direction. I can find no name origin other that what it is. Midwest is not the best place to find the wood.

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#6

Hint

Deciduous, drought tolerant, hardy to 0 degrees, found at elevations below 5000 ft, liked by pen turners, and birds. Was imported to provide stabilization of soils but over time proves to be too much of a "good" thing. In the 1950,s a agricltural acre well occupied with this wood had a negative value of $150 because it was non commercial and so hard to get rid of, today it can be worth $5000, but still a pain in the rear.

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#7

Dale Lenz

Re: Gary...

is this a white wood that is favored by the Asia folks?

Thanks for the question......Dale

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#8

No, usually brown

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#9

Dale Lenz

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of any tree the feds are throwing money at around here, except for one and it's a native to my knowledge. But, would this tree have some good fishing bait on it during certain times of the year?

Dale

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It's not our country that is doing it.

You have to look at countries that imported the trees but now have found them too prolific and too much of a pain.

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#11

Dale Lenz

Re:Okay, switching directions.

Is this tree armed, as in, has thorns? Also has compound leaves and bees like it.....Dale

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#12

Would it be............

a member the Ailanthus Genus?

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#13

Steven Antonucci

Juniper leaps to mind?

birds like the berries...

not sure about pen turners though?

S

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Edited Solution #14

Edited 2024-02-13 21:20:43
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Mesquite. (Prosopis). Dale stuck with it. The common barbeque and pen making favorite. The wood is hard and dense. It burns extremely hot (17000 BTU/kg) and is mostly smokeless but still imparts flavor. This is a tree with the deepest tap root of all trees, over 100 feet below the surface. It thrives in dry locations owing mostly to its below surface roots which are so prolific that it starves out other plants. Its trunk thickness below ground may be twice or more the size of that above. In soil with moisture it grows wickedly. Septic systems are a favorite target for mesquite and if situated around a pond can grow so thick it effectively shuts out larger animals like sheep and cattle from getting to the water. Mesquite is a legume so it produces seeds in pods which have been a food and medicine (flour, poultices for skin, ulcers) for people and animals for thousands of years, but eating too many can poison cattle. Mesquite seeds are so hard that they will break a pepper mill. Because they are so hard they may pass unbroken through animals only to be deposited some distance from the mother tree in the perfect medium for growth, where they sink deep roots and eventually block established paths and trails. If the seed is cracked and moist it can germinate in six hours. If it doesn't grow right away it can be dormant for decades with no harm as it is little affected by most temperatures present on earth. It grows by seed only --5 to 20 seeds per pod. The plant has a life of between 30 and 100 years. It is very resistant to fire (in fact fire stimulates new growth and cracks open seeds), plowing, insects, chaining, dozing. Attempting to clear a Mesquite tree has pulled more than one rear end out of a truck. Cutting stumps flat with a chemical paste on the stump surface is effective for killing the plant but plant killing chemicals left served on a table and around water holes is not good for animals and even that requires follow up applications and the root still makes clearing difficult. In addition a mature plant has thousands of thick 3" thorns that destroy the soft tissue of a mouth and easily puncture an off road tire. When goats were brought in in Australia to kill off the bushy tree they would stand on their hind legs to get to the leaves. The thorns would skewer the mouth and underbelly and either kill directly or cause wounds which led to parasites and nasty infection. Losses were so heavy on the goats that the practice was stopped. Australia is the primary country with eradication programs, but most eastern countries with arid locations have included the mesquite tree on their noxious plant lists.

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