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Norfolf Island Pine Vessel PIC

Ben Aragon

>Hi,

Another piece turned, it is Norfolk Island Pine 9� x 7�. It is an enclosed form. I rough turned it to about 3/4� thick then dried with the alcohol method. I then finished turned it to 1/8� thick and sanded. I soaked it a mixture of 1/3 boiled linseed oil, 1/3 oil based varnish, and 1/3 mineral spirits. This is the first piece of Norfolk Island Pine I have turned and I�m not sure how may times it need to be soaked, but it really soaked up the oil with the first 24 hour soaking. I soaked it about 6 times letting it dry for 24 hours between soakings.

I visited Ron Kent�s website and he soaks his pieces in a soap solution to prevent them from cracking before finish turning them and then soaks them in a Danish oil bath as many as 50 times. I�m not saying what I did is better, he is a great artist. I think the alcohol soaking method really dried the piece well, it soaked up most of the oil in the first 4 soakings. I live in Albuquerque and the humidity is about 15% here lately and this may also help compared to Hawaii. It is so dry here it is quite a job to keep bowls from cracking.

The only reason I didn�t use 3 gallons of Danish oil is I couldn�t afford them. I had on hand a gallon of Boiled Linseed oil and a gallon of Oil Based Varnish I used on a fence, and I went out and bought a gallon of Mineral Spirits.

Now to the piece, I�m not real happy with the shape or form and I wasn�t able to turn it with the star pattern at the bottom. What I do like about it is the color and the translucency; it�s hard to tell in the photo. It is free of cracks and the knots are solid, I filled the knots in a few places with coffee grounds were needed before sanding. I buffed it with the Beall System. Comments welcome good or bad.

Best regards,

Ben


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Second Photo PIC

Ben Aragon

>second photo


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Mike Schwing from Md.

>Wow, that is some pretty stuff Ben. Glad to see you posting again.

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JL

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JL

>Awesome bowl.

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ken chase

>Very impressive work. Raises many questions. I'm fairly new and didn't realise pine was a viable choice for turning. Is the pine you chose much harder than common pine? Also, I've never heard of soaking in a finish. I think it's obvious why but I can't resist asking. Is it to prevent cracking? OR to facilitate a better looking finish? I've done the alcohol soak and my piece dried in about a week. Is that similar to your dry time? Sorry I'm rambling but your work really captured my interest.

Thanks

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Ben Aragon

>Hi Ken,

Thanks for the comments, turning Norfolk Island Pine isn�t something I came up with. I think Ron Kent may have started it, I�m not sure. Look at his website http://www.ronkent.com/RKhome.html for reasons why he does things the way he does. Also look at this website http://home.earthlink.net/~puketarget/id1.html for info. It turns easy like any other pine its not hard at all except the knots. The oil soaking is what gives it the piece the translucency. The alcohol soaking is to prevent cracking and it takes about a week to dry here too. I hope this helps.

Best Wishes,

Ben


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Very Pretty!

Jennifer@Indy.USA

>Hi Ben,

Ooooo....very pretty piece. I just love the look of this wood. I'll have to try it sometime.

Jennifer

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ken chase

>Thanks for introducing me to this fantastic work.

I had no idea this technique existed. The only material I have soaked a bowl in is alcohol.

Your post made my day! I'm really inspired

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Jim Davies, Clayton, NJ

>Ben,

Great looking piece, love the wood and finish.

Question, when you soak how long do you leave it in? I assume you are drip drying between each soaking.

I believe it was Ernie Conover that also did a write up about dish soap soaking. A very informative article, he is now using the soap soak to dry pieces and having very few problems.

Jim D.

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Ben Aragon

>Jim,

This how I arrived at this finish.

1) I would soak the piece over night.

2) Take it out to dry in the morning and let dry until I would get home from work at 5 PM.

3) Sand the piece and clean it, then soak again.

I did this for 6 days.

Ben

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George Van in WI

>That's a great finish Ben! Thanks for posting.

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Treat Knots?

Charlie Anderson in Southern Maryland

>Did you have to treat the knots with CA?

I brought some logs back from Florida last week but haven't gotten to turn it.

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Ben Aragon

>Charlie,

Yes I did, I treated them with CA glue through out the whole process. After rough turning I applied a sanding sealer to the knot area and filled any voids in the knots with coffee grounds and CA glue. All along the finish turning process you have to keep a close I on the knots if they become loose or develop chips you need to stop turning and repeat the CA glue fortifying process. If you stay on top of the knots with what I did they come out smooth as glass like the rest of the bowl. There is nothing fast about making this type of bowl, take your time and have fun.

I�m turning a second one right know and I have found it a little easier and this is the changes I made. The first problem is with drying a NIP bowl with alcohol, the bowl is very dry and likes to tear the grain, makes for a lot of sanding. I think this is why most people that make this kind of bowl soak them in a soap solution to stabilize them first, they finish turn better.

TURNING PROCESS

1) Rough turn to 3/4� thick and stabilize with the alcohol process.

2) Fortify knots, don�t forget to use sanding sealer around the area.

3) Second rough turn to 1/4� to 5/16� thick.

4) Soak in oil solution over night and let dry the next day.

5) Fortify knots, all long process if needed.

6) Finish turn to 1/8� thick.

The soaking in oil one time before the final finish turning really helped considerably with the tear out problem. The oil bulked up the wood fibers and lubricated the wood it cuts beautifully.

I hope this helps.

Best Wishes,

Ben

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