An Apology to all

Re: An Apology to all

John Lucas

>Ken

I like hearing questions. One thing I learned a while back is there is a lot of misinformation passed along on the web. A lot of really good information is also passed along but I think it's good to question advice because how else will we weed out the bad info.

One thing I like about this board is we all seem to be able to debate an issue with civility. It seldom becomes nasty and that's the way it should be. John

Re: An Apology to all, Rejected

Arch

>because it's unnecessary. Be careful what you soak up Ken, It's not all wisdom. This is a great forum, but it is the internet and people like me give advice!

Re: An Apology to all

Bill Grumbine (Kutztown PA)

>Ken, don't let it get to you. By all means question things you are not sure of, or those where you need or want more clarification. All of what we do here is for fun, even for those of us who earn a living at it, or attempt to earn a living at it. Nobody here has all the answers or all the right methods - well, except me of course. Ha ha ha, a little joke to lighten things up a bit! I often have more questions than answers myself. That is why I am on line right now. I am researching a woodworking problem before I start sticking boards in the saw and making firewood instead of furniture.

So Ken, keep on posting, keep on questioning, and if someone is bugged that much by your questions, they don't have to read them.

Bill

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Jim D. Clayton, NJ

>"Nobody here has all the answers or all the right methods - well, except me of course"

OK Bill, how do I get the "little boss" to understand I need to spend more time in the shop and I need to go find some more nice wood?

Jim D.

Re: An Apology to all

Jim King

>Bill said it well

Re: Another Option

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>Anyone who attempts to dispute my right to question anything goes on the Short List for having themselves blocked from sending me e-mail. I have no time or patience for self-appointed censors and Defenders of the One True Path; whatever their stripe.

Ken, you feel free to question all here so long as you do it with the courtesy and consideration that this board is well known for and which I've noted in your previous posts. ANYBODY tells you they don't like that, _________'em.

[Of course that's just my opinion . . .]

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Jim D. Clayton, NJ

>Very well put Bill. Asking questions and researching the things we question is how we learn.

Jim D.

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RonZ

>Question all you want, that's how you find out the truth of what works for you. Woodturning isn't a religion and there is no faith or gospel involoved. =o)

IMHO

Ron in Drums PA

>An apology is not needed.

I got some nasty emails on a April Fools joke, you can't let it bother you. Just move on.

BTW - In the future send me your questions first so I can pre-approve them for this board. ;-)

Re: An Apology to all

John Trant (Baltimore/DC area)

>Hi Ken,

Apology is definitely not necessary. As I have said many times, ask 10 woodturners how to accomplish a task and you will get at least 11 answers. The neat thing is that generally none of the opinions are wrong, but that also means that none of us are absolutely correct either. Remember: Asking questions is how we learn, questioning current wisdom is how the craft progresses (this is the same for science also!). Woodturning is a fun activity shared by a bunch of nice guys and gals. If someone wants to a corrupt a fun activity by taking it too seriously, then they should take up golf.

Keep the questions coming!

John

Re: How can you say that....

Russ Fairfield

>RonZ wrote: "Woodturning isn't a religion and there is no faith or gospel involoved."

How can you say such a thing. The writings of the Great Philosophers of Woodturning are telling us of their experiences as they become one with the "spirits of the wood", and how their works are inspired by the "voice within the wood" that speaks to them. This sounds like a religious experience to me.

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John Lucas

>Russ

I think Duane tried to become one with the wood the other day but it just bounce off his head. Personally I hear voices in my head all the time whether the wood speaks or not.

Good Point

Ron in Drums PA

>There are also minerial spirits and spirits of turpentine.

I also clean my shop when the spirit strikes me. I have allot of black and blue marks to prove it, but not nearly as many mark as Mike does.

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Mac

>Russ, You sure have that pegged right!

Re: How can you say that....

Don Pencil

>The wood has yet to speak to me and tell me what it wants to be. I guess have not yet achieved that oneness with it.

But my wife tells me if I ever do hear the wood speaking to me she is going to have me committed.

But then again she says that from time-to-time just on general principle.

I would hate to think...

Bill Howatt

>that you were given some advice, weren't 100% clear on it, didn't question it because of the character that sent you the email, and then you were injured.

I think the responses to your post have shown you the real operation and motivation of this excellent forum.

Bill

This really gets me-

steve antonucci

>Every time I read something like this, I feel the need to try to reconstruct the scene of the crime. I've read a few in the past and I'd offer the following advice to anyone with a contrary position:

1.) Never "correct someone" online. You may offer and opinion, suggest other methods, but correcting someone assumes that they are wrong. Even if it's something potentially dangerous, we are all adults, capable of making up our own minds, and accountable for out own actions.

2.) If you have been "offended" by someone's opinion, privately blasting them in an e-mail is a worthless pursuit. If you have a valid difference of opinion, everyone in the group can benefit from multiple points of view.

3.) The old stand by: if you haven't got something nice to say, keep your mouth shut. Unless someone asks you what you think, they probably don't care.

The main reason I hang around is to see other people's work, learn what I can, make some friends, and exchange ideas- not read apologies.

Rant off.

Steve

We have esteemed members?

Mike Schwing from Md.

>Would someone make a list so we all know who they are? I don't see where in the membership rules that we have any more than 2 levels of members - moderator/admin and member. Now I know our current moderator is a good guy, but esteemed he ain't! (even with his Niche award, (grin)) So it couldn'ta been him.

To me, that means every one of us is on equal footing here.

Ken - you ask a lot of questions, in rapid fire succession. Who cares? If it bothers some, they can choose to ignore. A little while back I was thinking that you asked the same exact kinds of questions I used to, in approximately the same order, but in a compressed time frame. So what!

Truth is, there is no substitute for time holding a gouge. No matter who's tool you buy, video you watch, or class you take, nothing will make you an expert more quickly than using your tools over and over and over again.

I believe there is something to be said for having a little knowledge about a lot of things, as well as having tons of knowledge about a very few things. In time you will have both.

Your attitude and gusto towards your new hobby reminds me (and probably others) of myself just a few years ago. I too bought a lot of tools, most of them sit on the shelf. Heck, I've given away several complete sets of turning tools to new guys. I tend to learn a new thing quickly, get to be proficient at it, then move on to the next thing. So what if I leave a large trail of receipts in my wake? I'm having fun and learning, learning, learning. I see you doing the same. Just a few days ago I replied that learning was what I liked most about this sport. I bet you're much the same.

Keep asking questions, and ignore unsolicited emails shoving advice at you.

Golly, does that mean..

Gerry in Maryland

>I have to remove my email address from posts now?

Gerry

So Sorry, We're here for you Bill

Raymond Overman in SC

>Bill,

I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and children leaving you. I'm quite certain that it must have happened since you're able to make the statement, "Nobody here has all the answers or all the right methods - well, except me of course." Otherwise they would quickly correct you. Look on the bright side though, you'll be able to spend more time in the shop and you can watch TV in your underwear without freaking out the kid's friends.

As for Ken's problem, it sounds as if it's a classic case of ICB or Internet Communications Breakdown. I read a lot of things on this board and others and watch a lot of things in videos. Some things I take to heart, others I leave on the table. Just remember Ken, this too shall pass and you can continue making comments as you see fit.

Re: Golly, does that mean..

John Trant (Baltimore/DC area)

>I would say no because all of the unsolicited emails that I have gotten from WC members have been very positive and much appreciated. Hopefully, the negative emails we hear about are very rare.

John

Say something nice!

tek-Brunswick, Ohio

>Steve I like your rule #3. I used to work with a guy whose take on it was,"If you don't have something bad to say about someone, Make it up!" The guy didn't really live by that rule. He just liked to say stuff like that to kid around. Another favorite was. Bill:"Tom, you know what I like about you?" Me:"I don't know Bill. Tell me." Bill:"Nothin" Followed by much laughter.

Tom

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adrien

>What was your sin? Speaking as one who has NEVER made mistake, I am curious as to how you (supposedly) erred.

Reminds me of Harry Chapin's song, "Leaves are Green and Flowers Are Red" (or something like that).

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ken chase

>Not really sure. Among other things I was arrogant, disrespectful and a littany of other adjectives I no longer remember. The posts I received today were heartening. I'm certainly not going to let this episode dampen my enthusiasm for this board and all the wonderful people who participate.