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Which abrasive grading standard?

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Which abrasive grading standard?

John K Jordan

>Recent discussions of finishing and grits confuse me since I found out that 600 paper is not necessarily 600 paper.

A recent article in FWW#176 (Apr'05, "Finish line, True grit", pg 117) describes the difference between the CAMI (US ANSI standard) and FEPA (European, P) grading. For example, 600 CAMI is equivilent to P800. 800 CAMI~=P1500. Micromesh states in their literature that their 1500 paper is slightly courser than common 600 grit sandpaper, whatever that means. I have 0000 steel wool from the hardware store that feels far coarser than the good stuff (Liberon)

Learning about the differing standards was a big relief in a way since I was sure some of my 400 paper was much finer than other and I didn't know enough to understand why. But it was also the source of a new anxiety. Now I look for the P in the grading number but evidently thats not enough.

According to the article, the notation is not always consistent. Sometimes the P is not on the paper but on the packing. Sometime the P is missing entirely. The article gives some examples: 3M uses the P consistently for FEPA papers. Norton uses FEPA for most paper but does not use the P at all, but their silicon-carbide wet-or-dry paper is CAMI. Yikes. Klingspor uses FEPA and marks with a P except some of their garnet and al-oxide paper is FEPA but not marked. Mirka uses FEPA and labels it all with P. The author warned that it was beyond the scope of that article to do a review on every type or brand of sandpaper.

How's a turner to stay sane?!! Is all of this second nature to everyone but me? I just sand until the marks are gone, but grabbing a piece of sandpaper paper could be a wasted step backwards.

It seems to me that discussons and comparisons that mention grit sizes are meaninless without paying careful attention to and reporting the grading standard.

JKJ in East TN

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Re: Which abrasive grading standard?

John K Jordan

>(I see by the time I wrote this there is already discussion on the same topic in another thread)

JKJ in East TN

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Re: Which abrasive grading standard?

RonZ

>Basically it appears you're on the search for....'True Grit' =o)

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#4

Re: Which standard?

Glenn Madsen in the SF Bay area

>Keep using just one line of materials from one supplier? Or is that too simplistic?

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#5

My way

Fred in NC

>This had to do with finding out the grading system for paper that is not marked.

First of all, I don't usually find 600 grade in FEPA. If there is a 600, the paper is usually CAMI. Then I look and feel the grit, since I cannot feel the grit in 600 paper.

When the brand includes 500 grade, it is usually FEPA.

And the main reason I am posting this" I have found some horrible sandpaper in the FEPA grades. The grit comes off at first contact.

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Re: Grit Comparison Chart

Hawaii Turner

>Aloha,

Confronted with this dilemma for a while, someone in our club distributed this chart to us . I can't vouch for its accuracy or source.

Aloha, Doug


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Re: My way

John Trant (Baltimore/DC area)

>Hi Fred,

Funny, my experience is just the opposite of yours. Typical, huh.

Rarely do I find high number-grits in CAMI papers but I can readily find paper in P-600, P-1200, and P-1800 (or is it P-2000?). As a rule, the FEPA abrasives demand a higher degree of size selection than CAMI papers however, there is no regulation concerning the adhesives used to hold the abrasives. I think this is purely a manufacturer's choice and a quality issue.

In general, I will choose a manufacturer over grit standard when choosing papers. For example, I have Mirka and Klingspor (P-papers), and Norton and 3M (for CAMI papers).

John

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Re: Grit Comparison Chart

GaryG in MD

>Doug, I wonder if it would be possible for you to post that chart at a little higher resolution -- I can't read it, as it is -- even with a "sharpening" program. Thanks, Gary

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Re: Grit Comparison Chart

John K Jordan

>Doug,

That's a nice chart. Do you have it in a higher resolution? I cannot read the numbers even when enlarged.

If you do have a better resolution, I think you can upload 80k files in Turning. Another option might be convert it to GIF or from RGB to indexed color or grey scale. Or upload it in two pieces. If you don't have an easy way to do any of these, I'd gladly do it if you email the image.

If that's the only picture you have, do you remember where it came from?

JKJ in East TN

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Re: ROFLMAO!!

Gary Evans, Tallassee, TN

>Good one, Ron.

That one caught me just right.

Gary

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Re: Grit Comparison Chart

Hawaii Turner

>John, I agree that is a lousy looking post.I sent the original larger file/better resolution chart to your e-mail. Please re-post it for everyone.

Aloha, Doug

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EDITED: Grit Comparison Chart

John K Jordan

>This is the best I can do - some sharpening in Photoshop, levels adjustment, optimized for web at 80k.

It previews OK - let's see if it will post...

JKJ in East TN


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