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The turner's saw chain - super long

Mike Schwing from Md.

>Someone from AAW asked me if I could write an article on chainsaw sharpening for a woodturner. I tried. This is what I came up with. Please let me know what you think. It will be housed on the articles section on the AAW website when complete. Disclaimer - I claim no expertise in this field, only a little experience. Rather than violate copyrights and redraw images, and figuring this would be an online article, I made judicious use of links. Saved time and legal fees. Stihl, by the way, freely gave me permission to duplicate them for this article if I wished to do so.

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The Turner�s Saw Chain

This article is intended to be more about the actual saw chain than the chainsaw. The goal of it is to help give turners some easy to understand info about chain care.

Most woodturners own, or desire to own a chainsaw. Many own more than one. Most will admit to a lack of knowledge about how to care for a saw chain, including when and how to sharpen it. A few of my neighbors thought that chainsaws were self sharpening!

This article is divided up into a few topics; Defining characteristics of a chain, and care of your chain (including sharpening)

Construction of a saw chain

Typical chains are made of 3 main components � cutter, which usually includes depth gauge, drive link, and tie/bumper strap.

Good examples of each can be found here.. http://www.oregonchain.com/tech/ms_manual/ms_02.pdf

Defining a chain

The important characteristics which define a chain are pitch, chain length, and gauge. Pitch is defined as the distance between the centers of any 3 rivets divided by 2. Common pitches are ��, .325�, 3/8�, .404�, etc.. Gauge is the width of the drive link, it must match the width of the guide bar groove. Some examples of gauges are .043� (1.1mm) , .050� (1.3mm), .058� (1.5mm), etc.. Tie straps can be standard connectors or have special purposes to assist in minimizing kickback, etc..

Oregon Chain has an excellent online article depicting chain components and describing important terms. Find it here . http://www.oregonchain.com/tech/ms_manual/ms_02.pdf

Chains, bars, and oiling systems are all carefully matched on today�s saws. Stihl, for example, has special grooves in the drive links and in the bars that assist in moving lubricating oil around the bar. When selecting a new chain it is critically important that it be designed to match your guide bar, as well as in pitch, gauge, number of links, as well as sprocket.

Types of Chain.

The typical woodturner runs a chain known as a full complement � that is a chain that has opposing cutters placed every other link. This is a safe, reliable, fast cutting configuration, and helps in reducing kickback � a dangerous and frequently fatal condition where the saw suddenly and violently grabs and kicks back toward the operator.

�Skip� chains are also available that skip cutters at different ratios in favor of tie links. This reduces drag, and offers the possibility of faster cutting rates. It also presents greater opportunity for kickback as fewer cutters are in contact with the workpiece at any one time. At least two cutters need to be in a piece of wood to avoid kickback � one reason cutting small branches and twigs with the bar tip is so dangerous.

Rip chains are designed to cut wood with the grain and are ground in chisel configurations that are difficult to handle in a hand held saw. They are almost exclusively used in sawmill situations. I know of no one who would recommend a rip chain to a woodturner for cutting bowl blanks, nor anyone who uses one as such.

The links in the chain that do the actual cutting (cutters) are available in a bewildering array of choices. Most of them are of no real value for what we as turners typically do with a chainsaw. Chisel, semi chisel, square grind, micro, thin kerf, rapid, comfort, yadda yadda yadda..to name just a few. Some are even made with carbide cutters for special uses as in fire/emergency/rescue situations. They need to be ground with a special diamond grinding wheel, and are overkill for our needs. In reality, the chain that comes standard with a new saw will generally be more than sufficient for a turner�s needs, but you should have two. The standard equipment chain will likely be a semi-chisel type. Much discussion can be centered around cutter design and theory but it serves no real value for this article.

Care of your chain

Saw chain needs the same basic care that all of your edged tools require. Cutters get dull or damaged and need reshaping and sharpening. Bar guides wear unevenly and require retruing. Saps and oils and sawdust build up and require cleaning.

The cutters need to be sharp, but not quite so finely sharpened and honed as your favorite handplane�s blade. The proper file is generally sufficient. Chains may be sharpened by hand or by machine. Sawchain sharpening machines are generally out of the reach (and needs) of most woodturners, probably it is better and more rewarding to spend that money on a secondary chain, or a new gouge, or some finishing supplies. Most chainsaw service centers have machines that will automatically sharpen your chain. My experience has been that they do a good job, but not necessarily a better job than can be done by hand with practice. They are probably more accurate than doing it yourself with a handheld jig. The one drawback to them is that they remove more material than a hand sharpening, which will decrease chain life. Stihl recommends having your chain professionally ground after every 5th sharpening, as this will return them to proper dimensions and angles. A chain that has many or several teeth sharpened at different angles from each other will wander as it cuts and be difficult to control.

How do you recognize a dull chain?

A well sharpened and maintained chain will produce chips and shavings - a dull one will produce dust and smoke. A well sharpened chain will pull itself into a cut - a dull one will require manual feeding. A well sharpened chain will cut with its own weight - a dull one will require a great deal of effort applied to it. If you have used your saw for any length of time, it is ready for sharpening.

Chains get dull for the same reasons our other cutting tools do � wear. Some woods will cause them to wear more quickly than others. So will heat � dry wood will wear your chain more quickly, as will frozen wood. Lack of lubrication can exacerbate the problem, so keeping those oil channels clear is important, too. Probably the single quickest way to dull your chain to something that won�t cut butter is to touch it to the ground and cut into the earth. Avoid touching earth at all costs and develop cutting methods that do not require cutting into the ground. The moment you touch earth with your saw running, you will benefit from, and often require, sharpening immediately.

Sharpening

Before sharpening, it is important to inspect the chain for damage. The Oregon chain company has an excellent descriptor of chain damage and remedy. Find it here;

http://www.oregonchain.com/tech/ms_manual/ms_07.pdf

Stihl also has one - http://www.stihllibrary.com/pdf/SharpAdvice061301final.pdf

What tools do I use for sharpening?

Your choices are: (in all cases a properly sized/matched file/grinder is necessary)

1. Hand held file with no guide attachment. (OK in an emergency but not for regular use)

2. Hand held file with a guide attachment. This will allow you to �sight� the proper angle for sharpening and usually has a depth gauge adjuster included.

3. Hand held file in a bar mounted sharpening jig. Provides real, repeatable accuracy and very good results

4. Hand held Dremel type rotary tool with grinding wheel. Very important to use proper sized grinding tip.

5. Dremel type tool in a mounted sharpening jig.

6. Machine ground.

If you decide to employ any one of the first three suggestions, you will need to consult your chain specifications to find the appropriate size file. Most saw manufacturers have these lists online, or your service center can guide you. Some are available at the big box stores as well. The same thing goes for using a rotary tool.

So What Do I Sharpen?

The business end of the saw chain is the triangular point on the individual cutters. It does the majority of the work. As the cutter is fed into the wood, the point establishes (along with the depth gauge), the depth of the cut during each pass as well as beginning to carve out what will become the shaving or chip. If you were going to sharpen only one tiny piece of each cutter, that point would be the most important piece. There are 3 main angles that come into play to construct that point, and those angles all produce their own peculiar characteristics on saw performance. That discussion is outside the bounds and requirements of most woodturners� needs. The remainder of the top chisel point is used to finish carving out the chip/shaving and help move it away from the workpiece. It is also important to sharpen this chisel and keep it free from damage.

Your sharpening for each cutter will be accomplished with a single type of stroke, and it will generally take 3-5 strokes of a file to sharpen a cutter that is not damaged. Each chain�s cutters have their own tooth angle, 30 and 35 degrees are common. Most file guides have those angles depicted for easy reference during filing operations.

Common/suggested filing steps

� Find the tooth that is �shortest� in top length (the �master cutter�). All other teeth should be ground to this length before sharpening. (I doubt many, indeed perhaps any, turners do this regularly if at all. I don�t either) Many sharpening guides/jigs have a scale for this on them. (This is from the Stihl sharpening guide)

� Start with the index tooth/colored tooth. Or mark the starting tooth with a marker.

� Looking from the front of the bar, head on, the file should be positioned so it makes the proper angle depending on your chain.

� Using the guide, (or if using a file with no guide, many individual cutters have a line etched on them to indicate the proper angle), line up the file in the other plane so that it cuts along the top edge of the cutter.

� File with cutting strokes in one direction only. The results will be cleaner/sharper and the file will last longer. Using a push stroke, move the file over the surface of the cutter. Relieve pressure, withdraw the file, and repeat this step 3 or 4 times. If you are unsure of your progress, you can first mark the cutting edge with a black marker. No evidence of marker should remain when you are filing properly.

� Move onto the next cutter in the same direction (skip a cutter) and repeat these steps.

� When you finish the last cutter one that side, turn the saw around and do the same to the other cutters, rather than switching hands or angles. By doing this you will be more likely to file the same angle, right or wrong on both sides. This is preferable to filing each side with even a slightly different angle. This would cause wander and difficulty controlling the cut.

� When each of the teeth has been sharpened on both sides, the next step is to pay attention to the depth guides/rakers. As the cutters get sharpened, they get shorter from top to bottom. If the depth guides are not filed down at the same rate, the thickness of each tooth�s cut decreases, increasing cutting time and effort required. It is technically possible to remove the depth gauge entirely, but practically this is dangerous and difficult to control. It should, rather, be filed down just enough to restore proper cutting depth. This is done with the aid of a depth guide.

� Slip the depth guide over the master cutter depth guide and file it down with a square file until it is level with the guide. This will flatten the profile of the depth gauge as it shortens it. When you are done filing each depth gauge, use the flat file to slightly round the front of each back to its original shape.

The above is, more or less, standard procedure for sharpening a chain by hand. It can be done in the shop or in the field. With practice, a 20� chain can be field sharpened in just a few minutes. Some people dress their chains in this manner with each filling of the gas tank. I field sharpen when I feel the need. This is usually when I notice I�m putting more effort into cutting, or seeing more dust than shavings, or smell burning. I stop and resharpen immediately upon touching ground, as every time I think I can do without I�ve proven myself wrong.

Several saw chain manufacturers, including Oregon, make bar mounted jigs that very accurately set the angles involved in chain sharpening, and allow for quick, accurate, and repeatable cutter sharpening. I find them extremely useful in the shop, but do not use this for field dressing a chain as it takes more time, and is one more thing to carry around.

A Few Words About the Guide Bar

Guide bars are not self servicing. They wear and become damaged, and if the oil channels are not kept clean proper lubrication of bar and chain become impossible. This leads to premature wear of both chain and bar.

It is important to inspect your guide bar for damage occasionally. Guidebar basics and troubleshooting, compliments of Oregon - http://www.oregonchain.com/tech/ms_manual/ms_08.pdf

Some of these occurrences can be repaired. A nicked bar can be filed, but it VERY important to keep the sides perpendicular to each other. Bars should also be kept clean of debris that can tend to build up in the channels. Soaking in a solvent occasionally will help loosen debris, and a wire brush will remove them from the channels.

Below are some very good sources of chain and bar info as well as reordering/supplies;

Bailey�s � chainsaw and accessories supplier http://baileysonline.com/

Oregon saw chain/bars http://www.oregonchain.com/index.htm

Stihl � http://stihlusa.com

Husqvarna - http://www.usa.husqvarna.com/

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Re: The turner's saw chain - super long

Jerry Whitaker

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Mike,

We have probably all "touched earth" with the chain moving at one time or another. This is my opinion and you may or may not want to add it to your article...... Once you touch earth, you should remove the chain and bar and thoroughly clean both of them. Otherwise the grit will remain and will damage both....especially the bar. It is amazing how much effort and time it takes to remove all tht grit too.

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by all means

Mike Schwing from Md.

>Please make suggestions/additions/corrections! There is a lot more expertise on this forum than I'll ever have.

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W.C. Turner

>Mike,

Regarding the depth gauges, you might consider adding that Pferd Chainsharp(brand), & Husqvarna SharpForce(same exact tool,)market a filing guide that allows you to maintain the cutter edge, and, depth gauge all at once.

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quick comments

John K Jordan

>My initial comments, after very quickly scanning your article (while transferring some large files!) so forgive me if I missed something.

- I see a "how to recognize" a dull chain but not specifically a "when should I sharpen" section. The best advice I've read is sharpen before the chain is dull. If you wait until the chain is dull you will be using a dull chain for at least a while and it will take longer to sharpen.

- Some sharpen a lick or two every time they refuel. Some sharpen in the shop just before they go out. Some prefer to sharpen before putting the saw away so it will be ready the next time. I do a little of each depending on the time.

- You mention the depth guage and use but do not list it or the flat file in the "what tools do I need" section.

- It is recommended in several resources to flip a symmetrical bar every few sharpenings to promote even wear. This also forces you to take it off the saw occasionally and gives the opportunity to inspect and clean. In addition to cleaning the oil holes, I always take the cleaning end of my depth guage and run down the slot to remove the gunk. Check (if present) for free sprocket rotation.

- You mention cleaning the oil channels but I don't see where it tells how to check the oil delivery. Clean channels on the bar don't help if the oil is clogged from the tank. The recommended procedure is after filling the oil tank, start the saw and hold the tip a few inches away from some relatively clean surface such as a board, broad leaf, etc. Run the saw wide open for a few seconds and see if it throws oil from the tip. I believe the words in the Stihl manual (from memory here!) are to watch for "progressively" more oil spray, since even a clogged system may throw a little at first.

- I do not see mentioned the importance of putting the file in a good handle!

- You mention to file in one direction only, but I don't remember if you told which direction. It may seem obvious, but not to everyone. This is where a picture could help.

- I do think that embedded photos or diagrams would add a lot compared to links. Sure would be easier to print out, especially if supplied as a PDF file. (I hardly ever sharpen my saw in my computer room.) Copywrite issues can be avoided if you take your own photos or make even hand sketchs. (Maybe easier for me to say since I do that sort of thing for a living!)

- And finally, there are many opinions on this subject. Mine takes small issue with the statement that hand-held files are only good for emergency sharpening. Personally, that's all I use even on the bench unless I've run the saw into the ground in which case I go to the Dremel. Note that at least the Stihl chains that I use have a guide line etched into the top of each tooth which makes keeping the file angle trivial. It is important to hold the file level to avoid distorting the gullet and tooth - I don't remember seeing that.

I'll try to find time to read the article or revision more carefully later. My file transfer just finished!

JKJ in East TN

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Re: quick comments

Mike Schwing from Md.

>John, first, thanks. Second - please don't comment without reading, there are a lot of things that you mentioned which are included in the article.

This is not intended to be a comprehensive saw maintenance manual, that is not what I was asked to do. Some basic sharpening and maintenance items for turners, thats all.

Your comments are all good and valuable, but the depth to which I can address all and still leave anyone left awake is a compromise.

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"touching earth"

John K Jordan

>I just bought one of these to get the wood off the ground.

BTW, one guy told me he uses a carbide toothed chain - he said he cuts out roots by sticking the tip of the bar in the ground and slicing through the roots. Sounds insane to me - seems the bar and base of the chain would wear out quickly from the grit and the rocks would knock chunks out of the very expensive carbide. Anyone use carbide?

JKJ in East TN

Log jack:


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Re: "touching earth"

Mike Schwing from Md.

>Fire and rescue guys use carbide chains. Need a diamond wheel to sharpen them.

I've been lusting after one of those cants/jacks, too.

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Re: quick comments

Mike Schwing from Md.

>In fact, reading it over again and again, I can see I went outside of the scope way too much. Instead of sharpening tips/advice, I tried to give too much info about chain constuction, etc... you guys have already helped me a lot. Continued thx.

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Re: quick comments

John K Jordan

>Mike,

I did read it all, but quickly. I read more carefully during my lunch break. I now see the mention of the etched line on the tooth and the sharpening schedule.

A small redundancy: If you decide to keep it, I think the paragraph right after the sharpening instructions might be better combined with the earlier one on how to recognize a dull chain.

An inconsistency: The paragraph describing filing the rakers, starts using the word "guide" to describe the raker, switches to the word "guage" the same thing, then uses the word "guide" later to describe what I've always called the "guage", the thing you hold in your hand to measure the raker height (sometimes called the "raker guage").

Your comments about the scope are interesting. I first wondered why this article was even needed (besides that you were responding to a request!) Unless it is comprehensive and consolidates or adds to what information is already available, or focuses on needs specific to a woodturner, where is the value? But sharpening for a woodturner does not differ from sharpening for a non-turner as far as I know. Could a link to one or more of the many web sites with sharpening information do the job? (again, besides the fact you were simply responding to a request!) If you do cover just the sharpening, perhaps you could at least point out the other things any chain saw user should know, such as the guidebar care, tensioning, fuel, safety gear, etc.

And will this be published? If so, sadly, the question: is there any liability in teaching sharpening without covering safety or at least including a disclaimer? (even the excellent Oregon article does this)

BTW, what IS somewhat specific to wood turners is using a chainsaw to safely cut up chunks into turning blanks or at least into pieces small enough to put on a bandsaw. I've seen some good info out there such as what is on Bill Grumbine's site. I think a comprehensive article on this would be interesting, especially one which included diagrams for practical bucking/cutting tables and even to handling chunks on the bandsaw.

Ok, I'm back to work!

JKJ in East TN

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Re: quick comments

Mike Schwing from Md.

>Thank you again John. I think what the requestor had in mind was that turners, in general, do have a few specific chainsaw needs as opposed to mill operators or lumberjacks. Generally speaking, they don't need to know much about different types of chains, design, etc.. nor do they need to know how to set up and run a chain grinder. I believe I let the scope creep beyond that, probably for no other reason than trying to sound really smart.

Turner's needs are dissimilar from what the occasional use/homeowner needs - most of it can found online - which I didn't really know until I went looking. I would have loved to include drawings rather than links but I don't have the time, but would rather abandon the whole thing. I'm not good at the graphics stuff.

Finally - the publisher would probably assume the liability for the article if it were published, otherwise authors would be getting sued regularly, and would probably quickly dwindle in supply. However, I'm no legal beagle, so this is conjecture.

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Thanks Mike

Ron in Drums PA

>I picked up a few pointers

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Re: quick comments

GaryG in MD

>>> BTW, what IS somewhat specific to wood turners is using a chainsaw to safely cut up chunks into turning blanks or at least into pieces small enough to >> put on a bandsaw.

I agree -- I was just drawing pictures yesterday trying to come up with a compact, cheap, simple, easy-to-build, and perhaps easily assembled/disassembled sawhorse to do just that. If somebody's already got one, I'd appreciate seeing a photo of it. ...Gary

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BJ

>Good article Mike. Just speaking for myself I would tell anybody about to do maintenance on a chain saw bar and chain to put on a good pair of leather gloves and keep them on. The bur that we like to see on a scraper is present on the side of the bar and somehow I always find it, generally when I pull the chain around to expose more teeth and it does cut.

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Re: quick comments

Ed Kelle

>I just built this stand yesterday. And it cost nothing. Can't beat that. Just some angled boards screwed to plywood bolted to a milk crate. It holds log chunks nicely for cutting in half while also raising their height so it does not hurt my back as much. I used it on cherry that was about 18" long by up to 16" diameter. Didn't have enough size to slab off the sides before splitting down the middle, so I do not know if it would safely handle that stress.


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Ed Kelle

>Thanks Mike. I just went and got some files today to resharpen my chain before I cut some more chunks. Wish I had read this before I had touched up the chain today, but I think I did enough to get by. I have learned from the past NOT to let it hit dirt at all, so I built my stand.

Hey, just curious, I was pricing out the Stihl 361 with a 20" chain and my local shop has it at a staggering $590. Does this seem way out of whack? I have not priced those saws before and I just about fainted. For now I will stick with a hard to start, underpowered Poulan.

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Re: The turner's saw chain - super long

Mike Schwing from Md.

>Ed, if I recall, my MS 360 Pro was in the mid $500s, too. Bet my wife would remember it within $1.

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Re: "touching earth"

Jorge Castaneda ~ Downeast Maine

>Mike,

When you come to Maine, I can take you to just the right place for a cant hook, peavey or log jack.

Jorge

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Re: quick comments

GaryG in MD

>Hi Ed, Thanks for the pic. That's just the kind of thing I have in mind. Glad to see others are thinking along similar lines. I'm also trying to think about a support that will work well for knocking off the corners. I've just been using the top of my log pile, but I want to clean it out and move the remainder, so now I need a new specialty sawhorse. If I get one to work, I'll share the pic. ...Gary

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Re: quick comments

Gary Evans, Tallassee, TN

>Mike,

I don't mean to be critical here, but you did ask for comments.

I don't understand how "turner's needs are dissimilar from what the occasional use/homeowner needs." Perhaps the problem you are having with the scope of the article comes down to this statement.

Seems to me that a dull chain is a dull chain, doesn't matter who it belongs to, or how often they use their saw. Perhaps this idea that somehow turners have some special need when it comes to sharpening their saw chain is what is making it difficult to address the concept which the requestor came up with. Perhaps that person should think a little more about what they are asking for. It might be easier then to write an article which works.

I didn't see anything that I didn't already know about chainsaw sharpening, but I have been doing it regularly for nearly thirty years. I'm sure the article is intended for the uninitiated.

I do appreciate the fact that you at least mentioned the option of using a Dremel-type tool to sharpen, as I consider that to be a superior method compared to files and guides (or even guages.) 8^]

Gary

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Re: quick comments

Gary Evans, Tallassee, TN

>Gary,

I have processed a LOT of logs into turning blanks. I use a piece of log standing on end with a V cut into the top to hold the piece I am cutting. A second V cut into the side about 3 inches down from the top allows the use of a long-jaw pipe clamp to hold the blank for cutting it round or resawing it to different dimensions.

I'll send in a picture tomorrow to show you my setup. Too dark right now to do much good.

Gary

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Pro sharpening

Carole in VA

>Thanks Mike. After reading your post, I took my chain up to the saw sharpener and had it sharpened on their machine for $5. I have not cut with it yet, but looking at it and feeling it, it doesn't seem any sharper than if I hand sharpened it. I guess I will be able to tell when I swap chains and cut with it. I hope it means I am doing a good job of sharpening (and not that they did a lousy job! LOL)

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Re: Pro sharpening

Gary Evans, Tallassee, TN

>Carol,

Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. If they sharpen a chain for $5, they certainly can't take the time to make sure that it is sharpened properly. They are probably shooting for something like $40 to $50 per hour for shop labor. That means they need to sharpen a chain every 6 to 7.5 minutes. Not much time to eyeball every cutter, raker and link plate, not to mention the handling time.

I think the only reason that the manufacturer recommends having the chain machine-sharpened is to try to give their dealers some minimal support in the service department. I doubt that Stihl and Husqvarna dealers have a huge amount of warranty work.

I'd wager that your home sharpened chain is at least as well sharpened as theirs, if not better.

About the only thing that the sharpening machines have going for them is that all the cutters will be the same length. The operator's skill is the only thing that determines how sharp the cutters actually are.

Still sharpening them at home,

Gary

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Re: Pro sharpening

John Lucas

>I had been sharpening my own saw for a while and wasn't totally satisfied that is was cutting optimally so I took it to my Husky dealer and paid them to sharpen it. The guy stick it in a vise and sharpened it with a file by hand just like I did. I never took it back.

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Re: Pro sharpening

Jerry Whitaker

>I paid the local Ace Hardware $5 to sharpen a chain for me about 5 years ago. It was more dull when I got it back. Might as well had flushed the $5 down the toilet. I have trouble keeping all the teeth the same size but it sure does cut good after using my dremel tool and dremel sharpener so I am going to stick with it.

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