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Southern States Symposium

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Southern States Symposium

John Lucas

>I just got out of the truck after arriving home. Man was that fun. If you ever get to see Stuart Batty do so. He is really sharp. I sat through 2 of his demos and he really has some skills on the lathe. He sharpens free hand and showed us how to do it and why he prefers this method. Can you sharpen a bowl gouge in less than 10 seconds. I mean that was from the lathe to the grinder and back to the lathe in that length of time.

I've been to a lot of John Jordan lectures on Wood and wood movement so I sat through Tod Hoyers lecture. I think he rivals John in this area. His discussion of burls, how they are formed and how to cut and use them was worth the whole price of the show.

Tod's wife Haley Smith is a joy to listen to, but then I'm a sucker for an english accent. She did a talk on inspiration and how she uses the things she sees in her work. That was really good. I sat through her demon on burning wood for design purposes and that was real interesting as well. She doesn't do anything half assed. She thinks through every detail of the piece and fusses over things most people would just gloss over.

The vendors were great. BestWoodTools has a new Keyless Jacobs chuck that is high quality and cost (I think) $49. It might have been higher but not much, I looked at it the first night. It's still a hell of a deal for anything less than $100.

Ruth Niles and Gary Evans were there running the 1st ever tool swap and sell and Ruth had her T shirts. I don't believe there are two nicer people but then just about every turner you meet will fall under that category.

We had a great dinner at El sombrero's. I met some new poeple and had some great conversations. I hope you all get to go to a symposium some time. There are just so many nice people and the turnings in the instant gallery are wonderful.

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tdaniel

>I just got back also John and, like you, I met some nice people there. It is really nice to meet people that you have "known" for 3 years. I got to meet Ruth Niles also and I agree with you, she is a very nice persona. I wish I could have attended Stuart Batty's class but I had to make shavings with the VB. I tried to show how to make a 4 x 12" bowl in 8 minutes but the lathe wasn't bolted down so I had to slow it down a bit so it took about 10 minutes;(I sure wish they would let me drill 4 holes in the floor so I could crank the VB up like it is supposed to be run.) The hit in my booth was the bowl that Russ helped me with while he was here. It was made from a big leaf maple burl and dyed red and had the beginnings of an oil finish on it. I sure wish I had had about another 3 weeks to complete the finish before the show. I'll post a pic of this one soon.

TD

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Jennifer@Indy.USA

>John, I loved reading your post. I can hardly wait for Kansas. My first ever symposium. I am going to be glued to a demo as long as there's one going on. Can't wait to meet a bunch of new people and soak up as much as I can.

Can anybody tell me.. how long do the demo's at these things typically last? Can you get 2 or 3 in a day?

Jennifer

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Jerry Whitaker

>Jennifer....you can get in 4 demos per day. I went for the first time to Orlando last year and am going to KS also. Maybe see you there.

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John Lucas

>Jennifer

4 is about all you can handle. Your brain goes into overload there is so much interesting information. Take good notes. I know there is something that Stewart Batty said that justified the price of the symposium. Iwas looking over my notes and couldn't find it. Maybe it will come back to me. I was running the camera and didn't write everything down.

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burls?

John K Jordan

>>I sat through Tod Hoyers lecture. His discussion

>of burls, how they are formed and how to cut and

>use them was worth the whole price of the show.

Can you share any of this when you get time? In particular, I've read conflicting info on how/why burls are formed. What did Tod think?

JKJ in East TN

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John Lucas

>John

I don't think I can do a very good job of describing what he had to show us. The photos he used were a huge help.

He said there were 2 types of burls. Those formed by limb buds and those formed by injury to the tree. They basically made rays coming out from the the center of the tree in a cone shape and if you looked at the burl from the outside it has swirly dots like we often see.

He then showed how to cut the burl to accent one feature or the other, rays or eyes, I'll call them for lack of a better description. He showed how to orient and cut the wood to balance these features.

I'll try to look through my books to see if I can come up with a photo or two to describe what he showed.

As a side note when I went to the Bruce Baker workshop on selling he mentioned to never use the word Cancer or disease or blight when describing how a burl is formed. He said this starts forming negative images in the customers mind. He said to just skip that description of how they occur and go right on the beauty created by the tree. This forms a more positive image and increases the chance for a sale.

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Phil Axtell

>Hi all,

Something John neglected to mention was the superlative job he did in demoing his hand mirrors. Really great, John, and thanks.

Janet and I enjoyed chatting with John as well as Ruth, who got drenched on Saturday morning walking a mile from her hotel to the Symposium in the pouring rain. She lost her car key, but the Ford Dealership made her another one from her Vin number. Yes, they can do that.

Also had fun talking to Terry Daniels and Gary Evans, who donated a number of items to the auction. John, the auctioneer, tried to get him to bid on a piece he donated. He's so nice, he did bid on it.

Mark Kauder donated one of the two items that brought the most money in the auction. It was one of his beautiful segmented pieces. The other one was a piece by Stuart Batty so Mark was in very good company. Thanks, Mark, that was very generous of you.

See you in Provo or Kansas City,

Phil Axtell

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Gary Evans, Tallassee, TN

>John,

Thanks for your kind words. I fully agree about Ruth Niles. If she hadn't been there to handle the Swap Meet items on Friday, I'm not sure I could have kept up. I have met a lot of good folks since I became involved in woodturning and Ruth is one of the best. I came out with a couple of her shirts and coffee cups, as well as some shirts to sell at the next show. If you saw me with a big smile most of the weekend, she's the reason. If I weren't a happily married man... 8^]

Thanks also to everyone who participated in the first semi-annual Talasi Hardwoods Swap Meet. We sold a few tools that would otherwise be gathering dust. I have talked to the powers-that-be at GAW and we will definitely be doing another one at Unicoi in Sept. If I can get into the Ohio Valley show in October, we should be having one there also.

I want everyone from here who bought wood, tools or accessories from our booth this weekend just how much I appreciate your business. I met some old friends and made some new ones. When it comes down to it, that is much more valuable to me than the money I brought home.

By the way, John Lucas is a pretty nice guy, himself.

Gary

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Ruth Niles

>First, I'd like to say what a great syposium it was: I caught part of most of the demonstrations but had to keep an eye on the booth in the vending area. I would highly recommend seeing any and all of the presenters who where there.

Phil, you didn't have to tell everyone what a scatter brain I am! : O

TD, John and Gary, you're making me seriously blush but thank you so much. I love you all.

How can anyone NOT have fun at a show full of woodturners? I can guarantee any who is going to their first symposium (of any size), you will be blown away by what you will see, hear, learn and the people you will meet or meet in person for the first time will become "friends" in every sense of the word. Particularly take note of how down-to-earth, friendly and "real" the professionals are.

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>I though that the Southern States Symposiuw was really good - better than I thought it would be. I got to see/meet several WC/WOW folks I had not met before, Like Ruth Niles - a very nice lady, as well an many "Old" internet friends.

Many of the demos were so-so, just my opinion, based on my interests, others with different interests really liked them. HOWEVER, if you ever get a chance to attend a demo or class with Stuart Batty, DO IT. He is without a doubt (again my opinion) the best and most knowledgeable demonstrator I have ever heard (except maybe Russ). I took a demo of his on "making a bowl with just a gouge": Basically a class on his gouge grind and the push cut used by most all European bowl turners. It leaves a cut on even Spalted Maple that is the equivalent of about 400 grit. Incredible!! It is hard to describe, and will require much practice. It's prime virtue (along with his grind) is that it cleanly cuts endgrain. It is not much better than a pull cut or shear scrape on face grain, so it it will not necessarily help me on segmented bowl, but may be worth the practice. His grind has to be done by hand, and he can be at the lathe, step to the grinder, sharpen, and be back on the lathe in 10 seconds. Basically his grind it a fingernail grind, but all cutting surfaces are ground at a 40 degree angle. When I got home, one of the first things I did was regrind a gouge, and I really like the grind.

I also attended his demo on turning a tall thin vessel. Much if it was about his push cut as well, but also covered Negative Rake Scrapers, chucking on a jam chuck, etc.

Then I attended, TWICE, his demo on Steel and Sharpening. It was the best description of all of the types of steels used in turning gouges, the various flute designs that I have ever heard. Stuart lives a mile from Jerry Glaser, and has convinced Glaser to change to a Sorby like U-shaped flute design. He thoroughly described the Pros and Cons of each steel type and the sharpening of each. Lots of really good explanations on how each tool cuts, and why it cuts. REALLY GOOD, as I said, I attended it twice.

I was so impressed with him, that I have started working with the rest of the club presidents in GA to see if we can get him down here some time for some hands on classes. When I was discussing it with one of the guys, Don Duden from FLA heard me and said - Hey, count us in, I can get you about 4-5 guys (Stuart will take up to 6 in a hands on class). Then someone from Caroline Mountains Club said the same thing. SO.... the idea is really taking off. He can do a two day course of just technique, if we go 3 days, it is 2 days of technique, and one day of a bowl project. Our biggest problem is a venue. Most everyone agreed that lathes were not a problem.

I also went to a John Jordan Hollowing Demo -and was less than impressed. I have his Hollowing Video - one of the best, he shows all sorts of tools and ways to hollow. Now that he is selling turning and hollowing tools, the demo is one big info-mertial on his tapes and tools. I walked out half way through.

Did not really attend more that a few minutes in some of the others - Turning Talc and Alabaster, Decoration Bowl and Platter Rims., etc.

Gloat: A very sick part of me sees these auctions as a sort of informal competition - (yes I said I was sick) and a potential ego builder (not that I need it). I was lucky enough to donate a 6" segmented bowl that brought in the high price for a single item. Next highest was an increasable Cocobolo goblet that Stewart Batty turned in a demo. This thing was about 24" tall with a stem on it that could not have been 1/8" in diameter. If you blew on it the cup just swayed back and forth. It went for $400. I was really please when they started the bidding on my bowl at $50 (like most everything else), and 50 hands went up, then some one yelled out $200. It went to $450 in less than a minute.

OK, so much for the gloat.

I really had a good time at SSS. Good to see all of you there.

Mark

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