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First Large Bowl w/Alcohol Results

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First Large Bowl w/Alcohol Results

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First Large Bowl w/Alcohol Results

Barbara Gill, Remlik VA

>My original magnolia blank was 17 1/2"x 5". I rough turned a bowl a little over 16 1/2" in diameter. The wall thickness was 1 1/4". I soaked it in denatured alcohol for 20 hours because that is what fit my schedule. I followed the directions draining, etc. I used fairly heavy brown paper and wrapped according to instructions. On Feb. 14 the weight was 11.77#. On March 19 the weight was 8.55#. Today, April 3, it was 8.55#. I have removed the paper. Across the bowl one direction the diameter is 16.75" across 90 degrees the diameter is 16.5". There are several small cracks around some knots. There is one significant crack on the rim. I probably will finish turning the bowl next week-end.

The holly bowl which is about the same size and rough turned about the same time is not dry yet.

Re: First Large Bowl w/Alcohol Results

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Couple questions.

Dave Smith, Longview, WA

>Hi Barbara,

Thanks for the update. Did you do any other weighing of the bowl? I am wondering what the weight loss curve is for such a large bowl. Where was it dried? In the shop, barn or outhouse? I will need to search my messages to see what the drying time is for large bowls done by others. I seem to remember that 3 weeks is an average time.

The cracks you mentioned, where they all the way through the wall?

Did you leave a 1 1/2" wall thickness because you wanted a thick finish wall or because of concerns of no wall thickness on the finished bowl? Thicker walls developer most stress when drying and take longer to dry. It does not hurt to leave th bowl in the alcohol for a longer period. While typing that sentence I realized I put a piece int alcohol last night. Oh well, several days will not hurt and on a piece as large and thick as the magnolia It is probably prudent to soak a couple days.

When you finish turn the bowl will you take a measurement for me? After you true the tenon and reverse the bowl, turn the top of the rim until it is flat. Then, with a pencil and the lathe running, draw the largest and smallest continuous circles you can. The distance between the concentric circles(CC) will indicate the thickest wall possible for the finished bowl. Of course the final thickness depends on the desired shape and, in my case, catches along the way. I have found that Concentric Circles are a better indicator of bowl distortion than trying to measure diameters across an uneven rim. The high points of the rim give a false indication of the diameter difference at 90 degrees, because they have a larger diameter than the low points. Sometimes the CCs will indicate that the bowl needs to be repositioned in the chuck. I started checking the CC when measurements of roughed out bowls implied I could not get a very thick wall on the finished piece but the finished piece had a much thiccker wall size. It is nice to know the expected wall thickness before starting to shape the out side of a bowl.

I sure hope the holly makes it through the drying process.

Dave Smith

Form follows catches in Longview, WA.

Re: First Large Bowl w/Alcohol Results

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Picture please

Jorge Castaneda ~ Downeast Maine

>Dave,

could you illustrate the concentric circles method with a picture? I cannot visualize what you meant.

Thank you

Jorge

Re: First Large Bowl w/Alcohol Results

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Answers

Barbara Gill, Remlik VA

>Dave here are the answers.

Did you do any other weighing of the bowl?

Yes, 2/20 - 10.11#; 2/27 - 9.61#; 3/12 - 8.78#; 3/19 - 8.55#

Where was it dried?

The bowls are being dried in an unheated room that this time of the year is humid.

The cracks you mentioned, where they all the way through the wall?

The large crack is as well as several of the real fine cracks.

Did you leave a 1 1/2" wall thickness because you wanted a thick finish wall or because of concerns of no wall thickness on the finished bowl?

I left 1 1/4" wall thickness on the advice of Mark Kauder who has also turned some large bowls. With a bowl of this size I will leave the walls thicker than on smaller bowls. I didn't want to burn my bridges by taking away too much.

I also turned two holly vases which were turned to finished thickness. They had the paper remover yesterday. I will take measurements and let you know about them.

So far the holly is looking good. It is so dense that drying is bound to take a little longer.

I will take the measurements of the bowls when finishing them as you requested. Thanks for the help.

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