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Ellis Walentine

Japanese chisels

In the spirit of Derek's recent plea, may I respectfully bring up a many-faceted question for your consideration? Here is a box of chisels that a friend of mine showed me when I visited him last fall...


 

Now, I've been using Japanese chisels since the 70s. Here's my old favorite that I resurrected after my shop burned down. It originally had a boxwood handle; now it's mulberry. You can see how much steel has been sharpened off it. It's a user for sure.


 

I prefer this style of chisel to Western varieties (though I am partial to my old 750s), but I've never gotten into the deep weeds of white and blue steel, boxwood vs ebony vs oak handles, Damascus style construction, on and on. I've just used the things because they feel good in my hands and they cut beautifully and hold an edge. 

My question is this: How to justify the extremes to which some hand tools have been taken? Are even the best craftsmen able to work faster or better, or to achieve finer results, or is it strictly the visual and tactual aesthetics that make the "finest" worth the investment?

Just wondering what all y'all's experiences are.....

Ellis


 


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Joe Fleming

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I have had a 6-piece set of Marples Blue Chip chisels for close to 30 years.  I've seen them disparaged here on WC, but they are razor sharp and work great for me.  Maybe I don't know what I'm missing, but I do not feel cheated.


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I'm seduced by beautiful tools because they are beautiful.  Sometimes that beauty is not visual but functional.  They are a pleasure to use, but I don't think that I do any better work because the tools are premium.  I suspect that much more developed craftspeople than I get more functional benefit (do better work) because their ability takes advantage of better quality tools.  That being said I buy them sometimes because I like them and like using them.  -Howard


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Japanese chisels (and converting bench chisel to dovetail chisels).

I have long been a fan of Japanese oire nomi (bench chisels) since I started out with relatively inexpensive ones about 25+ years ago. What became apparent was that even these took a fantastic edge and held it better than premium Western chisels.

Along the journey I fell in love with chisels made by Kiyohisa. These are rather simple looking, but with delicate, clean lines. Nothing remarkable to look at, but oh so wonderful to use. 

About 18 years or more ago I purchased a set of Usu-style slicks (paring chisels) from So Yamashita in Oz. At that time there was a 3 year waiting list. Then it became a 6 year wait, and now these chisels are no longer available as Mr Kiyohisa is very frail. 

They came in a specially signed box ...


 


 

The next great purchase was inspired by David Charlesworth, who had written about Koyamaichi chisels in one of his first books. I searched for years and finally I managed to pick up a few NOS (circa 1980) dovetail chisels on eBay at what I considered to be a bargain price. Note that this was about 18 years ago, long before they were available on Lee Valley. 

In 2010 I was contacted by Stu Tierney (who ran Tools from Japan, now closed) to say that he could get Mr Koyama to make me some custom chisels. Note that Japanese dovetail chisels are really only called "dovetail chisels" because of their shape, and not because they are designed to chop out dovetails. They do not have narrow shoulders (lands), but really are just bench chisels (oire nomi).

To the point - but Mr Koyama would custom grind the shoulders to my specs. Well, I could not pass up the opportunity (the three smaller chisels) ...


 



Interestingly, Mr Koyama was very puzzled about my request for minimal lands. This was not standard.



The final chapter began a couple of years ago. Over several years I had been collecting individual Kiyohisa oire nomi (bench chisels) - what I could find and afford. As mentioned earlier, these are no longer available, and very expensive in a matched set. The ones I found had different handles, which made them look looked a little rag-tag. This inspired me to replace the handles and create a matched set of my dreams.


 


 

Wait, there is more! I decided that these chisels should also be capable of chopping dovetails - as mentioned earlier, oire nomi come with high, wide lands which could bruise the front edge of a dovetail socket. I came up with a solution to alter the lands without it being apparent to anyone (unless they were specifically looking for this). The next edition of Fine Woodworking Magazine will carry this as a shop tip.


 

Below is an extract from my website article: 

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeTools/BenchChiselsintoDovetailChisels.html


 

Those familiar with oire nomi are aware that they are not suited to dovetailing as the sides are square and the lands are thick. Essentially, they are firmer-style chisels.





Dovetail angles are typically spoken of as ratios. The slimmest are 1:8, followed by 1:7, 1:6 and 1:5.



Draw a line 1” across and 6” vertical, and this creates an angle with a 1:6 ratio …







My preferred ratios are 1:7 for most hardwoods, and 1:6 for softer woods or where the angles are to be accentuated. If we have a chisel which can fit inside a 1:6 ratio angle, then the 1:7 will fit as well.



An easier way of creating this angle on a sliding bevel is to set it at 9.5 degrees (which is 1:6).









Now transfer this to a length of MDF or plywood (8” x ½” in this example) …









… and sandwich it between two leaves (here, 8” wide). This will create a jig with a 9.5 degree angle …







While one could use a bench grinder, my preference is a vertical belt sander with a 120-grit belt …





Ensure that the platform is at right angles to the face, and then attach the jig …





Belt sanders grind without much heat, unlike bench grinders. Keep your fingers on the blade and dunk it in cool water if it heats up.



Simply place the side of the chisel against the belt, and pull it across the face. Keeping it moving will reduce the chance of heat focussing on one spot.







The side of the blade will grind from the upper side down, and this makes it quite easy to keep track of where the grinding is taking place. The process is far easier than one might expect, and a side of the blade may be completed in just several light runs across the belt. It is possible to vary pressure if one end is grinding faster than the other end.



Eventually, you will reach this stage …





For Japanese chisels, which are blackened, it is possible to return the colour using black oxide. This is one I sourced in Australia ..







The result, after just a few minutes, looks like it was never modified. I like that – it looks original.





This is how I modified all the Kiyohisa oire nomi. However, it should not be viewed as a method for this type of chisel alone, but for all chisels with high sides and thick lands.



Regards from Perth
Derek

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Re: Japanese chisels (and converting bench chisel to dovetail chisels).

Beautiful tools, Derek.  You are one of the folks for whom these fine tools actually make a difference in the quality of your very fine work.  -Howard


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Re: Japanese chisels (and converting bench chisel to dovetail chisels).

Thank you for the tip, Derek. I will apply this modification to my most recently acquired oire nomi. 


 


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Classic is it the journey or the destination

Personally I feel better using high end than low end. 50 years of woodworking will do that for many people. A lot of us started with Marples Blue Chip chisels, but graduated up. I started with a Montgomery Wards table saw after growing tired of ripping stock on a Craftsman Radial Arm saw. So to many, it's a matter of quality going along with skills.


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Ellis Walentine

For me.....

...both the journey and destination are aspects of my love of designing and making stuff, even when the destination is simply to enjoy the tools at hand. It's rarely a choice between high end and low end, but rather between high end and the highest end. Sometimes the difference in feel, performance and efficiency is beyond my ability to appreciate.

Ellis


 


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Joe Fleming

Nicely done


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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Ellis,

� � I don't have many Japanese chisels. They cost too much for my budget. However ,to answer your question,I have some chairmaking tools that were not absolutely necessary. I like the aesthetics of a well made ,hand made tool. I have a pair of holdfasts that have a business end that were made in the shape of a leaf. I love using them. My grammercy holdfasts work as well but they are boring. I have drawknives that were blacksmith made and are things of beauty. My factory made drawknives are just as sharp,work as well but I enjoy handling my blacksmith made ones much more. My woodworking is all about my love of tools. Functionality is important but the aesthetics are of equal if not greater importance.


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Hi Ellis and all,

Handmade planes, saws, chisels, and as Jack says, drawknives—they have a history we can know, and a human touch that is expressed to us in every detail the maker chose.  In short, we can feel a sort of human relationship that is carried by the tool.  It doesn’t matter if the tool is plain, or if it is embellished.  The maker’s hand is on it, and it is singular—no other chisel by David for instance is exactly like it.  There is also an extreme focus, combined with simple intuition, which is shared by the different makers regardless of their culture—David, Konrad Sauer, Yataiki, Masayuki, and so many others—Steve Voigt, Tasai, Funatsu, Larry Williams, I hate to leave anyone out—all of them share this focus and intuition.  

You pick up the tool, and all these thoughts are in your hand.

Wiley


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Such an interesting thread!

Our relationships to these handmade tools are almost as interesting and subtly interesting to me as the tools are themselves. -Howard


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Re: Japanese chisels (and converting bench chisel to dovetail chisels).

Derek,

The Japanese cut dovetails with their chisels. How do they get around having the thicker lands?  It sure seem to me in the few videos I have watched that they just bang out dovetails pretty darn quick, though they tend to be secret mitered dovetails for cases and use other, simpler joints for drawers. Are these hidden dovetails bruised up from the chisel lands, but it doesn’t matter since they won’t be seen?


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Re: Japanese chisels (and converting bench chisel to dovetail chisels).

Hi Gary


 

Essentially, the dovetails cut in Japanese cases tend to be different from those found in Western furniture. The Japanese have a tradition of avoiding showing end grain. Hence one finds hidden mitred dovetails in the main with cases, and rebated and pegged joints in drawers.


 

In the dovetails below, the waste is removed from the centre first. It does not look like the chisel touches the socket sides ..


 


 

Then the sides of the socket are formed ...


 




 

Video:� �

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxF9FurBoE&ab_channel=BestUnintentionalASMR


 

Regards from Perth

Derek


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