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More from Cliff -parallels iron testing

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More from Cliff  -parallels iron testing

David Weaver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yHM9Tmq2s&ab_channel=CliffStamp

I tested plane irons last year. V11 lasted as long in an ideal test as O1.

Since then, I've found that appropriate performance in less than ideal situations (as in, not splitting shavings or doing other things that make it more difficult to judge what's going on) doesn't measure up to the idealized testing, especially when sharpening time is considered. I didn't do any specific test to judge this, just repeatedly pulling an iron out of a jointer (a record 8) and noticing that the amount of chipping was much greater than I was used to and the nuisance of getting rid of it was greater.

To be fair, this is my XHP iron, and it's possible that V11 could be slightly better (though we've seen in chisels the same kind of behavior - it's harder to eliminate chipping than it is with O1, etc).

That's caused me to go back toward whatever chips least for normal use (as my normal use is a small percentage of smoothing and a lot of other things).

Interesting in this case as cliff compared a harder CPM10V knife to a softer knife made of bandsaw blade material in dirty used rope. Once the rope was dirty, the idealized clean test results nearly disappeared.

I'm not binge watching these videos, they're just running in the background while I do some work so that I don't go into a trance.

Cliff apparently started testing knives before 2000 (so the youtube videos are not him new to playing around with this). 20 years ago, manufacturers claims were generally untested and forums formed around manufacturers and guruism ensued. Some makers of larger heavier knives with special proprietary steels or processes charged well over four figures for semi-production knives (it was easier to get away with) and cliff got a label placed on him of being anti-fill in the blank (super steel, anti-carbides, whatever).

Interesting in this case only because I have gone back to simpler steel for most planing just due to performance and overall effort, and then will run into a video like this that talks about what happens when the use environment is less than ideal.

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Re: More from Cliff  -parallels iron testing

Wiley Horne

David

What were you planing, that chipped the XHP? Hitting knots?

Wiley

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Re: More from Cliff  -parallels iron testing

David Weaver

Anything with interrupted wood, as well as knots or any dirt on wood.

I don't mean like soil, but just rough lumber that probably has a little bit of dirt on the surface. In using the record 8 to do jointing and trying work, I noted a whole lot more nicking in it (the test that I ran in continuous wood didn't show odd behavior by any iron aside from the japanese iron releasing carbides).

This is similar to experience with A2, that it just doesn't hold the fine edge that well if it's challenged at all, but it can do it in clean wood.

It could be that O1 and water hardening steel are taking as much damage, but because they're so much faster to sharpen, it doesn't accumulate - but there have been side by side comparisons with XHP and the old ward try plane iron in knots and the ward is the only iron that doesn't take damage (it's also probably the simplest of steels - I can't imagine it's anything but water hardening steel where it's laminated - some of the later english irons that are not laminated but still tapered feel like oil hardening steel and probably are).

That said, If I used a power planer and jointer and brought clean wood to the planes all the time, I would expect the XHP iron to show the same ratio it did when I tested it against O1 in beech - something like 4100 feet to 2200 and no defects noted in either.

Actually, the ward iron in my try plane is otherworldly for going through nastiness (dry pine knots, etc) and showing no effect at all, even when softer oil hardening irons (which should be really tough) get notched. but when I tested another similar iron in clean wood in an infill, it lasted about 75% as long as O1.

All of these things may be part of the reason that folks who work a lot by hand and less with machines tend to gravitate toward simpler irons.

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