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making big junk

David Weaver

...work has been very busy lately, so i haven't been making much literally other than using woodworking to exercise for an hour a day (resawing bed boards that will span between the rails, etc) as that's about how much free time I've had most days.

One thing I almost never do is make anything large, so this has been a learning experience. My shop is plenty large - but the way that I have it set up, divided into three areas with storage at the sides and in the middle, really not ideal for this.

Part of the learning experience has also been in working with junk wood where you really just need to throw things together, I've found out that with this really cheap pine, it's actually more accurate to cut the parts that are permanent glued and pinned mortises with a dovetail saw at the shoulders and split or saw the tenons and keep the chisels out of it entirely. The long stretchers along the length are bed bolted, and the bits on the width are pinned and glued mortise and tenons, which leaves the top rails as loose (mortise and tenon, but not glued) to make assembly easy.

Apparently, 2x6s and 2x10s have gotten expensive since I bought the wood for this bed - the total cost to this point with a bunk bed box spring and the bed bolts has been about $350. The low quality of the wood means the whole thing will get a light going-over with filler and then it will be painted white (per wishes of my daughter).

The ladder stands on its own, but it's pinned by 5/8" once installed (my kids can't be trusted - they'll be jousting on it sooner or later).

I know nothing about making beds except planning where the top of the mattress will be and reading a few key items (e.g., how much extra room at the sides and ends of the mattress to be able to get sheets on the bed, etc). The mattress will rise high enough that there won't be that much room between the bottom of the second rail and the top of the mattress. Daughter is a sleep walker, so the top of the bed is a bit like a cage. we'll see how that goes.

rails and footer are 2x10s glued in a "L" and then reinforced with deck screws from underneath, all tied together by screwing in the bed boards instead of allowing them to just sit on top.

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I don't wish I'd have spent less time on the dimensioning, but do wish I'd have just sawn and thrown together all of the joinery - the dovetail saw cut right at the line turns out to be more crisp - no chisel work needed.

Drill and pare on crap wood works better, too, but I cut most of the mortises by hand (all of those that were glued and pinned).

Like I said, a first for me to not make something smaller and a little more fiddly, aside from my workbench (that's also just thrown together as fast as possible).

Re: making big junk

#2

Looks solid, and tidy.

Jim Matthews

What anchor provision have you made, to keep it against the wall?

Kids are strong enough to push these over, from the top.

Re: making big junk

#3

Re: Looks solid, and tidy.

David Weaver

None at this point - it'll be against the wall, and is a full mattress size. It doesn't rack in its width (but that could change over time if the kids horse around on it), and the bed bolts make that something that can be addressed in the length.

My son will probably be up the sides and ladder (I guess the ladder itself will work as a prop to keep it from flipping over easily).

Thanks for the tip on that, though - I'll have to keep an eye on son and daughter and see if they can manage to move it or tip it.

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#4

I shouldn't presume...

Jim Matthews

Just because kids in my family are always up for Darwin awards doesn't mean that sort of thing is commonplace. I think the Japanese evolved low furniture and a spare aesthetic because of seismic activity.

You'll be able to turn down the furnace a notch, too.

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Re: I shouldn't presume...

David Weaver

My son is a human torpedo who tests the hardness of everything with his head. If he gets concussed (which has happened now twice), it's not a full day before he's head first into something again. His incidents have been unexpected backward falls. Self rabbit punching, I guess.

Fortunately, I checked this thing as it sits in the picture and I can't tip it even with my fatness (since it's thrown together, I have no clue how much it weighs - it's not that heavy, but it could be between 100 and 200 pounds).

My wife is safety police officer number one ("how are you sure that the orange stuff in the bottom of the fire pit isn't going to light the house on fire while we're sleeping?"), so the bed is actually a bit squat compared to most loft beds - just high enough for a mid height chest of drawers. This was not my choice, as my daughter's room isn't that large and it seemed like it would've been smart use of space if someone could've sat under it at a desk.

The kids will grow, though, until the sum of their weights is greater than mine and they will probably then tip it or manage to break a rail out.

My daughter has a normal sense of self preservation, but she's not afraid to beat her younger brother under the excuse of "he doesn't care if he gets hurt".

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#6

That's good training...

Jim Matthews

"My daughter has a normal sense of self preservation, but she's not afraid to beat her younger brother under the excuse of "he doesn't care if he gets hurt"."

Both of them will take lessons to serve them well into their own marriages.

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#7

Loft beds

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

The versatility of a loft bed may eventually surprise you. I made a bed similar to yours from 12/4 and 16/4 poplar I had left over from an order. Daughter wanted it for her college dorm room to add usable room. I figured she would use it a year and junk it.

It got passed to younger daughter and she used it in a dorm room (the exchange between me and the HR for her floor on whether it met Furman U safety requirements for structural integrity was epic). It was stored then used again by daughter in shared (another female!) apartment.

I thought it was disposed of when daughter bought a house. Nope. It recently came out of storage and used in oldest granddaughter's room, again to add space ( a desk fits under it).



Instead of slats I used a sheet of 3/4 plywood for the mattress support. Granddaughter painted it white and decorated it with the mural and twinkle lights. I have no idea how one lays out that pattern, never mind draw it. The blue is the frame of the bed. I expect it will go to college once again.

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Re: Loft beds

David Weaver

I'd have preferred plywood as my childhood bed had a mattress over a makeshift ply boxspring, but this cage style bed is a full..too wide for plywood. I got a low height box spring for it, though, which should work well with the slats and will remain invisible.

I was lobbying for full height on the one I built to fit a desk under (seems immensely practical as our beroo ms aren't large) but my wife is literally batty nuts about safety and thinks another 10 inches of height is life or death.

That design on yours looks spectacular, by the way.

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