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silver lining *LINK*

Paul M.

>... as in every cloud has one...

I was working at my bench the other night on a frame for a stained glass project. I was working with a plow plane and my Veritas low-angle smoother. A few swipes with the smoother to clean up the surface, followed by a workout with the plow plane to make a groove to capture the glass panel.

I made the mistake of placing the smooth plane not very far back on the bench, and when using the plow I hit it with the arms of the plow plane. Have you ever noticed how long it takes a plane to make that 3ft drop to concrete when your mind is shouting "Nooooooooooooo"?

The ductile iron on the Veritas smoother survived without any issues, mainly because the point of impact was the front knob. The threaded insert inside the knob broke off, requiring a replacement. Luckily, I have other planes that I could use to complete the task.

Surfing onto the Lee Valley website, I see that there are Rosewood replacement knobs and totes for a pretty cheap price, and they are much prettier than the stained maple that my older smoother arrived with. I probably would never have upgraded knobs and totes just for appearance sake. But since the knob is broken, I guess an upgrade is a must.


Prettier than original

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Derek...

Rob Lee

>...can you crank out a few thound more of each???

:)

Nice work!

Cheers -

Rob

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#4

He could if it were...

Adam Cherubini, NJ

>PLASTIC!

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#5

Re: He could if it were...

Stuart Hough

>Nice dig Adam!

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Stuart Hough

>Derek, Do you find that the more squattish ( new word?) knob helps with control or comfort? Or was that a product " I wonder how it would look" thinking?

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Stuart

The original LV knob is/was quite comfortable. I just like the look and feel of the lower knobs (ala Type 11 and earlier Stanleys). This one is quite wide and easy to grasp.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Sheoak

Wiley Horne -- So. Calif.

>Derek,

I'm curious as to whether sheoak is readily available in Oz or not. Rose sheoak was at one time (Federal period, ca. 1800) a favored wood in the US for banding and inlay ornament in mahogany furniture. It seems hard to find nowadays in the US; is it still plentiful in Australia?

Wiley

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Re: Sheoak

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Wiley

She-oak is reasonably easy to access. Not cheap though (but then what decent hardwood is?). I have a nice slab about 6' x 18" x 3" waiting to be turned into something for my wife. It is her favourite wood. That piece was about $150.

West Australian She-oak is a little lighter than the rose variety (Rose used for the tote and knob). I have made a lot of marking knives in it as it is a popular choice.



Regards from Perth

Derek

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Re: Sheoak

Miles

>I don't think it's a botanical relative, but I have been using holm oak (evergreen oak, Quercus ilex) for a few things and it has a very similar appearance to sheoak in some ways. On the quarter it has large ray figure, but tangentially you see the same sort of 'interwoven fibres' look that you can see on Derek's knife handles. It is very hard and dense, difficult to plane but when you get it smooth is lovely, has great figure, and finishes to a gorgeous rich colour. I'll post a scan or two later on - I just got a bandsaw so can more easily slice up the few firewood logs of it that I have (gloat, gloat!).

I think that evergreen oak is available in the USA, and might be similar enough to be worth tracking down if you want something unusual and similar to what the Aussies get to show off with :-)

Anyone in the other colony come across this wood or used it? I'd love to hear from another user as I've found very few examples so far. One issue is that it moves a lot when seasoned (like eucalypts, Derek!) and there is no commercial supply.

cheers from the old country :-)

Miles

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About She-oak *LINK*

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Its generic name Casuarina or Allocasuarina ("Allo"meaning like the casuarina) refers to the fine filamentous branches, which resemble the cassowary's quills. It is also noted that early Australians referred to casuarinas as Australian "Pines". The verticillata in Allocasuarina verticillata relates to the whorled arrangement of the very reduced leaves around the stem, (as in bike spokes). The word She-oak comes from the recognition by the early colonial craftsmen that an inferior (in their opinion) oak grain could be achieved by cutting the she-oak logs on the quarter (a specialised saw milling technique) and using the wood for crafting etc.


The link to the article is below.

Flame She-Oak ...



West Australian She-Oak ...



Regards from Perth

Derek


She-oaks: Like them or loathe them

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Ok...

Rob Lee

>Geez Adam... the last time you posted that, I wrote 3/4 of a reply, and then didn't post it...:)

Accused you of trolling too... :)

Couple of the comments I didn't make were...

1. Whose hand do you want it to fit??? Any given handle design is only going to fit X% of the market...

2. Aren't we selling to... um... well.... woodworkers??? What're y'all doing with those Auriou rasps y'all bemoan the unavailabilty of??

3. Despite what people say - they will still buy on appearance (except for Volvos ... :) ) and plastic just won't cut it in a market as traditional as hand tools. You want to save money??? Stop viewing the tiniest pit in a casting as a flaw... people don't realize how much of the cost of product is due to the products not sold.

Make you a deal.... you work in a plaid polyester Herb Tarluck suit for a year, and we'll run plastic handles for ya...

Did appreciate the theoretical discussion though... :)

Cheers, and not at all serious -

Rob

(I had more to say... but have to get back to work now.....)

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Re: About She-oak

Hank Knight

>Thanks for the link, Derek. What a fascinating tree (or trees, actually).

Hank

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I hear ya

Adam Cherubini

>Who is Herb Tarluck? I feel I should know that one. I'm thinking some sort of tv character.

Adam

btw, check out my latest column. I have a new plaid shirt!

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Bruce, a MN Galoot

>I agree with Derek. The low knob is more comfy for me, and that may translate to better control. I have no way to prove that contention. Let's just say I like it better and don't know why the tall knobs were ever introduced. Most of my Stanleys have low knobs.

Bruce

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Hey! (OT) Are you dissing Volvos?

Bill Houghton, sunny Sebastopol, CA

>Maybe it's an acquired taste, but Volvo's had some pretty ones, from the 544 through the 850 and on. Granted, the 740 looks like the box it came in, but the company's not without taste - it's just strange to most eyes.

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Re: Ok...

Tony Z.

>Well, I'll buy a plastic handle for every plane I have provided you dress up as Red Green and post the picture to the forum.

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low knobs

dave brown

>Philly (from Poole) and I retrofitted our low angle smoothers w/ front knobs from the bevel up jack. I like the low knob on smoothers and the higher knob on jacks & fore planes.

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my low knobs

dave brown

>Not as pretty as Derek's, but you get the idea . . . ;-)


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More totes

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Dave

I also like the higher LV knobs on certain planes, such as the scrub. I like the low, mushroom knobs on all else.

The totes have come in for a little criticism in the past, mainly for being too thick. So I reshaped one, goving it a slightly slimmer line and a slight downward angle... This one is on my jack ...





And you know what? It felt too small. Rob is validated. A large plane like the LA Jack works better with a thicker tote. The BU Jointer will keep its original tote (in the picture above). It is correct for this plane.

I had also made another tote for the BU Smoother. This one is more upright and retains the thickness ... in Jarrah ...



This is a good tote. Out of interest I swapped them around, BUS <> LAJ. And they work well that way. And this is now the way they are (no pic however).

Regards from Perth

Derek

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#21

To me, it's not the design, it's the name

Denis Ch�nard, Orl�ans, Ont.

>But I can't explain why here :-)

DC

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Re: Ok...

Frank D. in Montreal

>Warren,

humor aside, doesn't one have to take more off if a stone is less flat? I assume that a stone that hasn't been flattened after 50 blades is less flat than a stone that has flattened 2 blades. If this isn't true than flattening doesn't need to be done (because stones stay flat). The only data I have is my own exerience; the longer I wait to flatten my stones. the longer it takes to flatten them.

FWIW

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WKRP

Tom MacGregor

>Herb Tarlek (Frank Bonner) was the leisure-suited sales guy on the TV show WKRP in Cincinnati with a case of the hots for Jennifer Marlowe (Loni Anderson).

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#25

The last good looking volvos were ...

Jerry Nicholson

>in my relatively humble opinion, the P1800, P1800E and P1800ES models from 1961 to 1973 but I never got to own one.

Jerry

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