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Two Filing Horses

Bob Smalser

>The first storm of the year with 4 inches of rain gave me an excuse to get under cover for a day and make a taller horse for saw filing. Either I�m getting taller or my eyes are getting worse, and the horse I copied from one of my uncle�s and have been using for almost 40 years now is a bit too short these days.


I�ve always been interested in trying the Cornish �saw grip� from the UK on Alice Frampton�s Cornish Workshop web site. The Pennsylvania Dutch birdsmouth design on the right is simple and lightweight for toting around, but once the saw is tapped home in the wedged vise jaws, it�s easier to pick the whole horse up and reverse it than it is to reverse the saw to change sides.


The softwood birdsmouth is cut 7 degrees from vertical and reinforced with a carriage bolt to prevent it from splitting, and the hardwood jaws are beveled to 8 degrees so the mouth bites high on the jaw taper, forcing the jaw edges tight on the sawblade above. The saw requires a mallet to install and remove, which over time is hard on the jaws.

This horse has a 50� working height, with 6 X 30 X 3/4� jaws set in uprights of 1 3/8 X 3 3/8 X 48� jointed by mortise and tenon to two �� rails cut to provide an overall frame width of 20�. This one is on its third set of jaws and is spruce and cherry with holly jaws.


The Cornish vise is more sophisticated with a hinged jaw bearing against a fixed jaw�.


�.secured by a loose bar riding in slots in the uprights and bearing on two hardwood wedges screwed to the bottom of levers which are in turn screwed to the moving jaw. Sweet. Here for weight I used a 7/8� steel bar salvaged from an old wrench, instead of a lighter hardwood dowel that would have to be tapped home a bit harder.


The specifics of the Cornish design allowed a carpenter to quickly fabricate one of these on a job site using the lumber and framing saws at hand. I used a bit more time and tools to reduce and refine the scantlings a bit, and will only mention the dimensions I changed from the original plan. The frame was got out of three VG Doug Fir 2 X 4�s I used last year for concrete forms, the uprights measuring 1 5/16 X 3 1/8 X 52 1/2� and tapered from the center rail to the feet, allowing an overall working height of 53 ��.


The two frame rails were planed down to 7/8� and cut to make the overall width of the frame 17�. I deepened the mortise for the lower rail over the original design to produce two feet less likely to rock on a patch of wet shavings than if the entire length of the rail was in contact with the floor. The rails were positioned for the horse to mount cleanly in any bench vise or Workmate.


I enlarged the vise jaws to 5 � X 30 X ��, and kerfed the frame to accommodate my largest saws. The jaws have to remain true, and the wider the board, the greater the chance for warp. My hardest wood for this application is Pacific Madrone, not the most stable wood, so I kept them narrow and kerfed the uprights to take a 7 ��-wide saw. An alternative is to make wider jaws, each laid up from three narrow boards, flipping the end-grain cups to make a more stable jaw than one got out of one board.


The inner faces of the vise jaws in both designs must be beveled or coved so only the top inch or so of the jaws bear on the saw. Such tapering leaves insufficient thread depth for the wood screws mounting the levers to the moveable jaw, so I used machine screws instead. I used flat-headed lags in oversize holes rather than wood screws to mount the fixed jaw, so as to provide some minor adjustment to align the two jaws.

Continued�.

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Horses Part II

Bob Smalser

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When not on the road in a tool roll, I store my files and spares in a lead-weighted block to prevent confusion and keep them from touching each other, but I like a small bin on the horse for the jointer and saw sets. A few drain holes in the bin are useful to brush out file shavings or water, and the inside face is a handy spot for notes on file sizes that won�t get rubbed off. I also mounted the mahogany faces of the bin using large, round-headed box pins to provide some texture for wood or leather bench vise jaws to grip. All faying surfaces were bedded in oil-based bedding compound for outdoor use and the horse given several coats of spar varnish.


Finally, I like to scribe my usual fleam angle into the vise jaws to keep me straight. ;)

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WOW, What a cool design...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I've never seen a Cornish (or heard of for that matter) filing horse.

What a great design. Thanks for sharing Bob. My to-do list just grew again.

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Re: WOW, What a cool design...

ThomD

>+1. Thanks for the write-up.

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Re: WOW, What a cool design... *LINK*

Mike Hamilton

>Cornish as in from Alf's site. Look under Other Articles. The link to my version of this is dead from the first attack on Galoot Central. Just as well, there are orders of magnitude differences in apperance and execution.

Regards,

Mike Hamilton

Plainfield, IN


Alf's Galootish Gleanings

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Alf needs a link to this

Mike Hamilton

>Beautiful job. Alf's link to my simple attempt at this design is long ago dead. I am envious of the talent is takes to make things look so easy.

Again, nice work.

Regards,

Mike

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Marv

>Hi Bob,

That's a clever design. I like the rod at the bottom for tightening the jaws. My only problem with those tall horses is when you encounter a large tooth rip saw that's in bad need of reshaping of the teeth. To reshape the teeth quickly you have to really take some substantial file cuts. When doing that, even with a heavy-duty Disston No.3 vise you get some flexing and vibrating that gets on my nerves. I have solidly braced my Disston vise so that I get no flexing or vibrating even with the largest teeth. Is that a problem when using your tall horse design? I like the idea of just flipping the horse around instead of flipping the saw.

I recently bought an Acme saw filing vise on eBay. It is all cast iron construction and weighs over 50 pounds and will clamp a 28" blade. It's on a truck somewhere on it's way to my house, so I'm not sure yet if I'll like it. I doubt if I'll be flipping it around to reverse the blade though. But now I'm thinking I should mount it on my bench so I can rotate it. Thanks, hadn't thought of that until just now.

Thanks,

Marv

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Jaw fit is key.

Bob Smalser

>Even on cast-iron vises I've had to joint the jaw faces for full contact to prevent vibration.

Use a dense hardwood for the jaws, and I don't believe you'll detect a difference. The wood may even be a bit better because it can absorb some minor vibration, and it's certainly easier to true up if the jaws move seasonally enough to change the fit. Haven't used the new design enough yet, but get the tapers on the wedged jaws on the Dutch vise right and the blade ain't going nowhere when tapped home.

When I have vibration problems with these, it's usually the vise holding the horse instead of the horse. Worn pins in the vise or Workmate, etc. Clamping into the long tail vise on the bench solves that.

I prefer standing. And I prefer 28" vise jaws where I can get in a groove and do an entire side without stopping. The major advantage is speeding up the daily touchup of the saws used hard that day, not necessarily hogging off gobs of steel in a major rehab.

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