Est. 1998 — 27 years of woodworking knowledge
OT: Working in the rain
Kevin French
>I've been fighting with HD over a totally screwed up quote on a deck and got a late start. Last weekend my sons and grandson, came in and we framed in the deck. Today, in the rain, I got most of the posts up, finished the lag bolts and the rest of the rim Joist. The old framing gun I rebuilt was working great and made a two person job, into a one.
Tomorrow it supposed to be better, I might get so decking done.
Working in the rain
Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA
>Ah,yes. Done a bit of it meself, including car repair in the rain (we have no garage).
Deck's looking nice.
Re: OT: Working in the rain
Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI
>What kind of nails are you using in the resurrected nail gun for a deck? Just wondering if they are the type that is made for treated lumber. Another question I had; you're not going to paint that red are you? To each his own I guess. I bought a pretty good rain coat for my Isle Royale trip, and was wating for a chance to try it out. Last Tuesday night we had some tornadoes in the area with a really good wind blowing rain, so I put on the rain coat and went out to see how it worked. It was really neat to be dry outside in that kind of weather.
Re: OT: Working in the rain
Kevin French
>The nails are for the current model Paslode and are 'Hot Dipped Gals'
No the deck will NOT be red (Suppose to be Burgundy). I don't do colors. I leave Color to SWMBO and sometimes it comes around to bite ya. All that old decking is coming off. There are a couple pieces of the decking on the old deck with a post Sleeve, but if you look against the house there's the bottom of a handrail that show's the color better.
The decking is a composite from 'Eon', they call it Mahogany.
Re: OT: Working in the rain and galvanic reaction
cooper suter
>Jury's still out on the proper level of corrosion protection required for use w/the new treated (ACQ).
The big issues w/accelerated corrosion seem to be the levels of copper, the carrying agents used to get it into the wood, and how wet the installed environment is.
The new treated has something like 75% copper versus the old (CCA) which had a percentage in the teens.
Went to a training seminar put on by Simpson Strong-Tie.
Until an industry standard level and method of treating evolves, Simpson is only recommending stainless or their "Z-Max" connectors and fasteners be used, especially in wet environments.
(Yes, I asked, they claim they don't make any more profit on these.)
They did have some examples of amazingly fast corrosion w/the new treated and their basic level of galvanized connector.
Decks along the water in Cleveland where the zinc was entirely gone and the steel actively rusting in one year; doesn't bode well for the life span of the hangers load carrying capacity.
An overlooked but big issue is anchor bolts for sills and ledgers, better throw out all the old black bolts, only galvenized from here on out w/treated.
The basic ranking of fastener protection from lowest to highest is; electro-galvanized, hot dipped, cold tumbled, stainless.
Even before the new treated, the basic electro-galvanized gun nails were a poor performer for deck work, they just don't have enough zinc on them to perform in that tough of a corrosion environment, and once the zinc is gone, their smaller diameter leaves less steel to rust through before failure.
I wouldn't go tearing anything out, but keep an eye out for rust stains in the framing; could be an indicator of a future STRUCTURAL problem.
Coop
'Hot Dipped Gals' ...
Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA
>Boy, that gets my imagination going!
I was guessing she matched the color of the Webber on the orginal deck. Be sure to let us see and after pic!
Re: OT: Working in the rain and galvanic reaction
Kevin French
>Thanks Coop, All the supporting members are being lagged together with 3/8 and 5/16.
Here's another pic from the other side
Nice backyard Kevin!
Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native, Presently Away
>Looks very relaxing, and once that new deck is complete I can see you having morning coffee out there just listening to the silence! YOU SUCK!!!
Is that your shop down there?
I bet the peepers in that pond sure sound nice on a warm summers evening eh?
T.O.
Re: OT: Working in the rain
Ernie Miller
>Looks good from here maybe I should post some pics of my spring project. I'm building a sun poorch off the master bedroom it's comming along good no rain yet!
Re: Nice backyard Kevin!
Kevin French
>Thanks
That's my horriblly undersized storage building.
Yes the peepers are in full swing now, but they are thrid frog in. The Tree and the Wood frogs have already come and had their fun and the Bull frogs are just starting.