Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vice?

Re: Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vise?

Dean Lapinel

>Bench Vise!

Why isn't there an edit feature!?

Re: Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vise?

Jamey Amrine in Ann Arbor

>I can't speak from experience, but I believe the Beall threader suffers from the same issue as the taps and screwboxes available in retail: the thread pitch is too fine for a bench vise, and as a result, the root diameter is too large making the teeth fragile for the forces that a bench vise might see. I believe the largest you can go with the Beall is 1.5" x 6tpi. I think an ideal size for a bench screw is 2+" x 4 or fewer tpi.

Re: Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vise?

Dean Lapinel

>Jamey,

Thanks for verifying what my intuition told me.

Dean

Many of us suffer from the bench vice

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>as well as many other vices.

Those who use the Queen's spelling no doubt wonder why you felt the need to correct yourself, since your first message was correct for Alf, Bugbear, Derek Cohen, Andrew F, Ian in Sydney, and many other community members.

Re: Many of us suffer from the bench vice

Dean Lapinel

>But then I wouldn't get a humorous response like this. Our American humour isn't as refined. :)

Sounds like the Beall isn't good ...

Stephen Kirk in Quakertown PA

>So, is there one that works better?

Re: Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vice? *LINK*

David W. Dougherty

>I don't have any recommendations for tools you can buy for this purpose, but I did want to share a picture of the tools my good friend Leif Karlsson (owner/operator of Malilla Hyvelbankar, workbench maker in Sweden; http://www.workbenches.se) uses to make his wooden bench screws. I wish I could find somebody here in the states who could replicate these beautiful tools!

David

Postscript: I own one of Leif's benches--the model MA--and it was worth every penny.




Malilla Hyvelbankar

Re: Sounds like the Beall isn't good ...

ThomD

>I think the biggest I have been able to buy is 1.5 inches from Woodcraft, still not large enough. I'm guessing that at most I would probably make one or two vise screws in a life time. I'm no carver, but there was an article in the old FWW about a guy in the US who seemed to delight in making stuff that should be made on a lathe or with taps and dies, yet he would just freehand it. For screws for vices he just laid out the pattern with the strip of paper trick, then he used a v-shaped parting gouge to remove the chip, since it's an endless string of crossgrain it will break out pretty cleanly.

Then for the nut, he laid it out somehow, and carved split halves and glued them together, though one could do it with the self-threading scraper jig if one wanted to. If a person knew how to carve, that would go real quickly. The rest of us could probably clean things up a with a rasp like a large checkering rifler. I still have the article somewhere.

Re: Wooden thread cutter

ThomD

>Wouldn't you know it, at least locally the Wooden thread cutter episode of the Woodwright shop is on on Friday the 16 of this month. They run that episode all the tim. I find it rather boring because I don't have a project in mind, but it does answer the how-to issues. I tend to nod off through that one, but I think he uses a die and then a scraper machine for the nut. The latter is elaborate but simple enough. Making one's own die is a little more complicated, and if we could already find them in the correct size we wouldn't be having this conversation. That's why I like the idea of doing the threaded bolt by hand.

Re: Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vice?

jeff

>David

Have you ever thought to ask Lief where he gets the tools?

Jeff

Re: Benches

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Very nice looking benches, except for what appears to be a very small shoulder vise. Do you have any problems with that size?

Pam

Screw Box

Warren in Lancaster, PA

>I have a nice dogwood bench screw. The head is 4" in diameter, the shaft is 2 5/8" and the threads are 2 per inch. I would not want any thing lighter. After 27 years there is no sign of wear.

The tools that made the screw and nut are still available (I think I saw them on Dicks site), but they are expensive.

Re: Beall's threading Jig for Bench Vice?

David W. Dougherty

>Jeff:

According to Leif, those tools have been in his family for a couple of generations. They were made for them by a family friend and metalsmith and are unique as far as he knows.

I've taken this picture to several local machinist shops hoping that somebody would be able to reproduce the tools for me, but nobody would give me the time of day. Maybe somebody can get Joel fired up enough to have something like them made! I'd buy a set in a heartbeat.

Pam:

There are a couple of oddities about the shoulder vice that took some getting used to. First, the plate moves independent of the vice screw. That is, the screw isn't connected to the vice plate. Opening the vice requires two movements: unwind the screw and move the plate back by hand. Closing works like normal: just wind the screw (with a bit of hand fudging). I was a bit thrown off by this at first, but now it just seems normal to me.

The second oddity is that the plate is very short as you correctly pointed out, but I haven't really found this to be a problem. I use a vice jack (ala Klausz) to hold up longer work and it seems to work fine. Having said that, I don't do large case work. I am a violin maker, so most of my work is carving and the like. When I do venture into traditional woodworking, it's mostly smaller stuff.

Some amazing qualities. The bench is constructed mostly of pine, with a 3/4" inch (or so) layer of beech on the top. This makes the bench incredibly light. However, it is rock solid and surprisingly stable. The beech top is nice and stable as well and only need very minor trueing about once a year here in Oregon.

David

Errata

Warren in Lancaster, PA

>The threading tools are available on the Dieter Schmid site. The largest is 62 mm (2 3/8}. They are called holzgewindeschneider. The price is 1029 Euros. They large ones have two handles and two cutters {shallow and deep}. I think they may be the same ones pictured in David's post above.

Re: Screw Box

David W. Dougherty

>Not the same tool at all, but a close, modern adaptation of same. Good find! But the price... *ouchie*

David

Re: Errata

Dean Lapinel

>Warren,

Can you link to that site. Can't find the tool.

Dean

Re: Errata  *LINK*

Paul Kierstead

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Wood Thread Cutting Tool

$1,350+ US dollars!

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I think I could be convinced that a metal vise screw's not so bad, for that price.

Re: Shoulder vise, beech over pine

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Thanks, David, very interesting. I think I'll use southern yellow pine or a cousin for my new bench top, when and if, mainly because it should grab a piece of wood better than the hardwoods; but will probably use some qs white oak for the legs, for the weight.

Pam

Re: $1,350+ US dollars!

Paul Kierstead

>Well, you get a 19% discount (it is VAT included) for being outside Germany (or is it outside the EU? Either way...).

You could make screws (and "nuts" of a sort) for other people to recoup cost, or even rent the tool via mail. Maybe a group purchase for a club.

I don't think such a tool makes much sense to own unless you have some method of recouping the cost; even for $100, it would make much sense if you are going to use it once in a lifetime (unless someone charges you significantly more then $100 for the service).