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Grinding Gloat *PICS*

woodburnbob

>The first image is an ordinary tapered iron that I picked up in a package of "bargain cutters". The second shows a very handsome stamp, which I'd be curious if any of you recognize. The third is a flattening job. But, not just any old flattening job.

In the dead of winter I started going to a Wednesday night metal shop class ostensibly for over-the-hill adults and seniors at a local high school. Only a couple old guys and mostly kids in their 20s. Though not in the curriculum I weasled access to the KO Lee surface grinder and this week had a chance to work on 2 blades. Never used one before and was still able to figure out how to do it on my own.

That last photo is in fact straight off the surface grinder!

Sadly, it's less than perfectly flat. I now conclude that the back, which is pulled down by the magnetic chuck, must be pretty flat, or at least not capable of rocking slightly, else you evidently can get a slight distortion while grinding that unwinds once off the chuck.

I'll re-do this next week, when I hope to master the hydraulic control so that I can stand and watch technology do it for me. Incidentally, the blade didn't get in the slightest bit warm, despite dry grinding (but why should it? I was using about 0.001 depth and 0.020 crossfeeds and many hundreds of passes by hand.)

[Slight Editorial Comment: Somebody needs to get out there and assemble a list of all the high school shops in the country, how they're tooled and all the school board names and addresses so tax-paying gallots everywhere can get a grass-roots movement going and press for some recompense for all them taxes over the years. "Sure, I'll vote your way...when you open up that school shop in the evenings...i.e., most evenings and weekends".]



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they are gone

bill tindal, E.TN

>Our club used to have access to a local HS shop but all the area schools have removed the WW equipment.

A Surface grinder is to hand flattening irons as the thickness planer is to a scrub plane. Wait till you discover how nice it can make a plane bottom. And then you can find a scrap of cast iron at the junk yard and make a lapping plate for diamond sharpening. I wish I had access to one that didn't cost $75 and hour.

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woodburnbob

>I'm a little stumped on how to hold a plane upside down securely and not spend an hour indicating it in so the sole is paralell to the magnetic chuck. I'm not sure I've seen a hand plane out by more than about 5 thou.

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Re: they are not all gone

Glenn Madsen near San Francisco

>"Our club used to have access to a local HS shop but all the area schools have removed the WW equipment."

In our district, our club is hosted by and runs the adult ed wood program. We have a couple of pretty good high school shops, and have redone (and helped restaff) another shop across town. We're looking for some more opportunities.

It may have something to do with the demographics in the area.

But last night, there were 45 people at the woodturning SIG meeting at the school. 18 months ago, maybe 12. The club meetings are three times as large as they were three years ago. Something is going well.

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how a machine shop did it

bill tindal, E.TN

>1. To become a machinist you need to be able to quickly adjust things to 0.0005" using techniques not obvious to bystanders. I find the speed with which they can center in a 4 jaw chuck just amazing.

2. The shop person grabs the sides of the plane in what I think is called a cross vice, a big one with 4 or 5" jaws. They are used on milling machines to hold things. This leaves the plane ends out in the air if it is a long plane (eg 5 and greater). Then he put cute little jack things under each end. Looked like micro version of what we used to lift houses with. Then by diddling with jacks the plane was made level with table and we ground away. It was done in less than a lunch hour.

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Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>At least one school district around here has a big industrial arts program. I have a friend that volunteers for some after school programs there and told me about their CNC machine. Of course it helps that a benefactor left a large land trust to the school district in his will. Also helps that the will stipulated that the money from the land trust must be used for math, science, and industrial arts. My friend told me that the shop teacher has a hard time spending his budget sometimes. Nice problem to have :)

Wendell

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

Sick Silly talk

Jim in Burlington On

>All this talk of plane grinding to .0005 taking courses buying big machines making jig's to use them just plane old silly sick talk:)

The package from LV with 2 new blades ground so nice and flat what I wouldn't give for a few weeks with a machine like that. The list off the top of my head.

1. Make everything I have flat and smooth

2. Make several tools like Kingshott's miter sled and plane

3. Make the longest straight edge possible

4. Make several irons and chisels out of M4

Good clean expensive fun:O

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Or, highly amusing sour-grapes tale *LINK*

woodburnbob

>Out here in Oregon one sees a surface grinder pop into Ebay with the passing of each season...sometimes every month or so. They go down fast like bloody flesh in shark infested water. I have no chance to get my own.

You, Jim, on the other hand, are in an area of the country awash with surface grinders. A trailer hitch on a pick-up, rent a low 4 wheel trailer for $40 or so from U-Haul. Take a muscular neighbor or son along. Spend a manly Saturday and your home with one.

For the link, I put in the Buffalo zip, which seems close to Burlington and sorted the output via distance. Click the closed auctions and really appreciate the surplus wealth of your area of the continent.


Surface Grinders waiting for Jim

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Rob Millard

>I use to work part time at a machine shop, and the person who owned the shop ground quite a few blades for me. One in particular was warped quite badly, and he used pieces of wet newspaper to "shims" stabilize it. The trick worked very well.

Rob Millard


http://www.americanfederalperiod.com

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

Wow

Jim in Burlington On

>I just bought 3 nice infill planes and there's no more room in the basement. Seriously I wouldn't know which one to buy there are so many models. We used to have a couple machinist's at work but sadly like everything else the shop's gone and works contracted out. Certainly would buy one if it didn't have to go in the basement.

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Acutally, Jim...

woodburnbob

>I've comforted myself the past fifty years by thinking that when I have my last few years to live, I'd cash out and buy one of these and tool around 'till I croaked. Sadly, I've lost my taste for the car and realize I could probably buy a dozen surface grinders for the same price. Actually, I could buy about 6 hydraulic KO Lees for the price of my wife's last vehicle. I must be crazy.


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George in Lowell, Mich.

>Bob

Surface grinding has some unique jigs and accessories that make it pretty useful.

Like:

tilting magnetic plates

"chucks" that you can spin by hand to make custom diameter pins by OD grinding them

tilting vises that will grip your work and be set to a certain angle to then grind the angle on the item

All of this grinding is done to whatever preciseness that you are looking for.

Enjoy your grinding experience!!!

Work safe,

George in cold & snowy Lowell,Mich.

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paul womack

>Sadly, it's less than perfectly flat. I now conclude that the back, which is pulled down by the magnetic chuck, must be pretty flat, or at least not capable of rocking slightly, else you evidently can get a slight distortion while grinding that unwinds once off the chuck.

There's a warning there for them's as would like to surface grind a plane sole...

BugBear

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