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Sharpening jig tip for LN #112 blades *PICS*

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Sharpening jig tip for LN #112 blades *PICS*

woodburnbob

>Anybody who's tried to maintain the 60 degree bevel on these wide blades knows it ain't straightforward. You can, with special fingers and special concentration, freehand it, but one slip sometimes leads to another hour of work.

The Eclipse jig and the Veritas I have from several years ago aren't wide enough to hold the blade. However, I've seen various contraptions that hold the #112 and are in turn themselves held by the Eclipse or Veritas. Also, if you have a Tormek, you know there are no jigs that handle this blade, again because of width...of course you can free hand it using the bar or flat thing.

Enter this guy:


At one time I thought I'd try collecting all the billy-club handled scrapers out there. I learned most of them aren't much to speak of and I got bored with it. But I did come across this exception. I now have several...actually quite a few. So if the depression ever comes, and these scapers develop a real value, I'm set for life. It's rare to not see one on Ebay at anytime, and I got most of mine for $10 or $15 plus shipping.

There are several names attached to this scraper. This is a "Pagoma". I've got one with the Zenith name and sunrise symbol (an old Marshall-Wells). I don't remember the other names and won't bother to look now. But it's clear they are all made by the same manufacturer and stamped variously by retailers of the era.

This scraper is very well built, stout, solid and great to use for scraping, even using little card scrapers. I like using sharp, high rake plane blades. Say goodbye to hot, cramping fingers.

The ultimate beauty is the ball joint handle. A twist left and the ball (and therefore the head-handle angle) rotates in any direction. A twist right and it's rock solid.

The bar with the hook functions as an eccentric axis, a cam, to tighten a floating plate against the blade. No goofy holes and screws in the middle like so many of these handled scrapers.

Oops. I almost lost my point. Because the ball handle is so easily set, the angle of the blade is easily set. A twist and it's set to the 60 angle I'm after. The handle slides on the desk top. The whole "jig" is then in effect a tripod, so the angle is pretty stable. Obviously it can serve as a sharpening jig for plane blades, chisels and anything else that will fit it.

That's it. More words than needed probably. Why didn't I mention this before? The evil and opportunistic side of me had me thinking about cornering the market, like the Hunt brothers and silver. But I never got around to it. I see now I should stop being so stingy (niggardly). I hope to go to old-tool-guy heaven some day and I'd better start acting accordingly.

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Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native, Presently Away

>Hey Bob, what a great idea!! Thanks for sharing it.

now, go put all those scrapers you've coll, er, er, accumulated and let the fortune roll in.

If you're concerned about getting old-tool-guy Heaven, send me a #1 and I'll put a good word in for you with The Boss*

* I have no inside connections, but I'll still put in a good word everytime I fondle the #1.

Todd O.

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paul womack

>Oops. I almost lost my point. Because the ball handle is so easily set, the angle of the blade is easily set. A twist and it's set to the 60 angle I'm after. The handle slides on the desk top. The whole "jig" is then in effect a tripod, so the angle is pretty stable. Obviously it can serve as a sharpening jig for plane blades, chisels and anything else that will fit it.

Hmm. Ball joint adjustable blade holder, you say?

If one were to cross fertilise that with my Monster Jig, that'd be mighty interesting.

very ridiculous sharpening jig

BugBear (thinking of sources of ball joints)

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Bob

That looks a more secure set up than mine. I use an Eclipse jig for my #112. This works with just a little filing for the blade width.

Incidentally, I grind the bevel of mine at 30 degrees, not the recommended 45 (LN blade in a Stanley #112).

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Frank D. in Montreal

>Hey Derek,

Do you put a burr on you blade? I grind mine at 45 but don't bother with a burr. I use my 112 a lot and get great results with it.

My Eclipse knock off doesn't go higher than about 45�, even if the blade fits fine.

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Ernie Miller

>Great idea Bob and with you telling people about it and me having a box of these things also I will be listing on on eBay tonight I'm betting the price will bey up to $15-20 instead of the $10-15 pluss shipping they have been. Oh Ya I'm gonna ride that cash cow. Last week I couldn't give them away and this week they will be a hot item. All of you people that want one. you had better get several set the angle you want for every sharpening angle you use. You should see my happy dance.

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#7

Dang and a side message

Bill Houghton, wintry rain again, Sebastopol, CA

>I gave one of those away to the Habitat store, since I have a better scraper than that. Oh well, I'll watch for another.

Incidentally, I thought the local Habitat had come up with this idea on its own, but it turns out a lot of Habitat for Humanity chapters have a building-focused thrift store (called "ReStore" - cute). Kind of cool: from the donated stuff, they hold back what they can use on projects and sell the rest. I've donated about three times to them, starting with stuff from my dad's garage, and continuing with tools and building hardware that I've realized are redundant for me. Feels nice, tax deductible, reduces clutter in the shop - win all around.

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Frank

I use the #112 without a hook. The 30 degree bevel has been an experiment to see if a "sharper" edge can take finer shavings. However, since I use it so rarely, I am lacking in enough practice to draw any firm conclusions.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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#9

Better that you had a box of these  *LINK*

woodburnbob

>


Where the real money is

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#10

Re: Dang and a side message

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>We've got two Restores in Austin, one a couple blocks away, very cool idea. However, shopping there is another issue, at least a couple of years ago, loads of pretty wrecked stuff. There were a few good tiles and electric stuff, drawer and cabinet knobs and pulls but not enough for a full kitchen. Hard for me to walk into a building store and walk out with nothing, but my local Restore made it easy. (:

Pam

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#11

I don't get it...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>My Hock 112 blade fits fine in the 2 Ellispe guide I own. They just hit the 45 deg. angle for the Hock iron with out modification.

BTW... 60 deg seems very (as in way too) high for a scraper blade seeing how the 112's adjuster can vary the angle of the blade to the work.

Scott, who also doesn't put a burr on this 112.

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#12

More for truly creative building, I think

Bill Houghton, wintry rain again, Sebastopol, CA

>We picked up a random box of drawer/cabinet door pulls at a garage sale a couple of years back, no two alike; we're considering using them when we remodel the kitchen. My impression is that Restore stores are useful for that kind of building, not so much for uniformity - but that's based on very limited looking at my local one. Remember who's donating....

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#13

I asked this same question on Badger Pond

Dave Thompson

>The width combined with that 60 degrees is tough. Nice solution you came up with! I think I like it better than what I was doing.

The idea at the time was to use a block of wood with an end mitered at 60 degrees as a bevel reference. The blade is held against the block of wood as it is sharpened.

fwiw, I think LN now recommends 45 degrees, which give one some more options. For one who doesn't have a fancy 112 sharpening jig and wants to maintain 60 degrees, here's a picture of the block reference:


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#14

45 degrees plus hook

David Charlesworth

>Tried the 60 degree blade with and without hook and did not like it.

We get much better performance with the same set up as Stanley 80.

30 - 35 degree grind, wire edge at 43 degrees on 800 stone, slight camber, polish at 45 degrees, ruler trick for back. Blade set at around 20 degrees forward lean.

Very light pressure on burnisher when turning very small hook.

If sucessful you will get very thin shavings off the most cranky stuff and not much dust. 1 to 1.5 thou" max. As it blunts which happens reasonably quickly you get more dust. We use this tool for cleaning up complex or difficult veneered panels.

best wishes,

David

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#15

Re: 45 degrees plus hook

Dave Thompson

>Yes, I'm also not particularly happy with the my setup which still has the 60 degrees. I'll have to try regrinding the bevel. Thanks for sharing.

Dave

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