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Bench vise

Dan Collins

>Friends: I am asking Santa for a bench vise. I think he has narrowed it down to an Anant (formerly Record) 9" quick release vise from Highland Hardware or a Lee Valley 9" quick release vise. The Anant has a quick release lever. The Lee Valley requires 2 counter-clockwise turns of the handle to disengage the screw. The lever release sounds easier to use, but I have never tried either one of them. The prices are comparable. Anyone have any experience with these types of vises and particularly the release mechanisms? Thanks. Dan

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thomd

>The lever is better as far as ease of use is concerned. The old Record style worked just fine. It was ideal because you could grip the lever and the most non-binding point on the center of the vise and just pull it out. I would have to know why LV, after selling the record style for 30 years, decided to carry one without this kind of release, there may be a good reason, but I don't know it. I have the LV Tucker vise, and it has a button type release, so there can't be sometihng fundamentaly impossible about a release that does not require a couple of turns to the handle. Maybe LV is just being stand up about not copying a Record design

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Ron

>I'v been using the LV for a couple of months. It's well made and was easy to install. I haven't been able to get use to the two turn release. I'll give it a month or so more but so far I dislike it enough that I will replace it with another vise.

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Tony Zaffuto

>Can you elaborate a bit more on your "dislike" of this vise? I have been considering the large version for a near-term purchase. Have you expressed your displeasure to Lee Valley?

Thanks,

T.Z.

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thomd

>You have to backpedal two turns with the handle to operate the quick release. As opposed to the Record style where one only has to take pressure off the jaws, and then pinch a lever.

My experiene with quick releases is that they aren't always more convenient than spinning the handle. So for instance every time you have to open the vise 2.5 turns, do you want to disengage it or just give it an extra half turn. No question if you want to open a vise 4 inch you want a quick release. I don't think they have these vises on display at the local LV, I was looking for them last week, but didn't see them where the Record used to be.

This isn't a Lee Valley product, it's just a product they carry in their catalogue.

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LV Retail Tour

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Hey, for all us deprived consumers, how about a tour of the typical (if there is one) LV store?

Pam

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thomd

>I've been to quite a few of the LV stores, Vancouver, Ottawa, London, and the Toronto stores, though not the new downtown store yet, Halifax.

My local store is on the East side of Toronto, about 10 minutes form where I live. Toronto is crossed east west by a major HWY the 401, and one takes the Morningside exit north a short distance to the LV store, which shares a newish brown brick building with a Ballet school, among other tenants.

LV has a wide glass front that reveals the retail space and the workshop area. Entering the retail store through a vestibule that keeps the cold weather at bay, one is immediately confronted with a wooden bar area that runs away from the door, and has two sides with catalogues and order forms. To the left are the new computer terminals that make direct order placement possible as well as a number of searches. The ordering bar also divides the store, whereby the left side is mostly devoted to the woodworking while the right side has products from the gardening catalogue. Indeed the introduction of the gardening line has pretty much made it impossible to get all the wood working tools on the floor, in the average sized store. The gardening side of the store also has sections for washrooms, children to play in, and end of line items.

The left side of the store from the window forward has a lot of the LV hardware on display, the next zone is kitchen hardware over by the wall, and finishing and safety gear central. About 1/4 of this side is devoted to books of all kinds, and plans. Scattered about the remaining part of the show room are cases showing various verities tools, newly arrived products, turning tools, etc... Much of what is in the catalogue is not on display, it feels like maybe half of the stuff isn't out,a pretty good ratio all things considered.

About 2/3rds of the back wall of the store is consumed by the orders in and check out areas. To buy something you fill out an order form (or use the computer). In the former case you get a paper ticket with your number on it and wait until your number comes up and you can place your order. The store is relatively heavily staffed both in front and in the back office, considering the order execution format that is in use. Staff is very friendly and helpful.

It's not an exciting place to visit for those of us who have it as a neighbourhood store. It's set up mostly efficiently, and familiarity tends to lead to complacency over how lucky we are to have such a good source of supply in the neighbourhood.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Cool. Thanks, Thom. Is it brightly lit flourescent? Wood floors? Any places set up with a bench or two for trying things?

In the US it would be exceedingly strange to have order fulfillment at the back of the store, since shop lifting would be expedited. Can you fill orders placed at the order bars in front?

Pam

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>On second thought, it's not that strange to have checkout in the middle and/or back of stores, especially department stores. Maybe you can tell that most of my in-person shopping is in grocery stores. :)

Pam

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Matt Wilson

>Its well lit. Most things that are small(er) and expensive are either in a glass cabinet, or chained some how. You can get your hands on most things, and those you can't, the staff is more than happy to get out for you.

No wood floors here, I believe the new T.O. store does though. If its a busy day, you want to take a number right away. It can take a long time to get your order filled...

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You Forgot ... :-)

Jim Shaver Oakville, Ont.

>Hi Thom,

You nailed the description perfectly....and I will add that they do at times have CBC Radio playing in the store and very friendly staff.

Also, I have been fortunate to teach in the Burlington store and have classes planned for 2007. They treat the students and the teachers with the highest amount of regard, even including a lunch and snacks at no cost. The class rooms are well equiped and clean, nothing is left for want. But then you might say the classes cost money, sure they do....but the money is donated to the United Way.

They have allowed me into the back area, I have seen behind the wall into the inventory...it's so well organized and detailed a true model of managed inventory control!

Walking into a Lee Valley Store at first impression may not be as exciting as you might think, but once you pick up a clip board and walk around the store you start to feel drawn into it's reputation.

The Lee Valley Store Staff make it what it is...they are friendly and wise.

I have 5 LV's with 1 1/2 hours of my home ... sometimes it's hard to choose!

Take care,

Jim

And then Konrad lives 40 minutes away too...I am in SO Much Trouble!!

:-)

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thomd

>When I have taught I was always really well treated also, though they hadn't risen to lunches and such. I liked the fact that one got to know the people at the stores really well, and I still know a few of them from those days.

I was planing on offering a few seminars this spring, but in the end it seemed easier to cut back on a few things instead. I sometimes need to work a little on keeping focused on the craft, and not everything else around it.

Pam, they do leave out tools to try at a bench when they can, depending on available space. Seems to be an on and off thing. I imagine they have to ballance shrinkage, liability and space, etc... I had a very active daughter who was at the time the right age to so violently ride the display rocking horse that it disappeared off the floor for five years. I just noticed it was back in play, and as luck would have it I have a 7 month old who is just as much of a terror, so watch out!

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Rob Lee

>Check your mail -and don't share!!!

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thomd

>I think "shrinkage is a problem. I have met staff going forward with a new looking tool for the display rack, and discovered it was the second one thay had put out that day. At one time almost every tool was on a shelf for eaxmination, but I guess time marches on.

One thing that keeps shrinkage to a minimum is the fact one has to place an order as earlier describes. This means the stock is all in the back with the exception of the odd magazine etc...

What I described as a bar is a two sided counter at a height useable by people on a barstool or standing. When I was recovering from breaking everything in both legs, I used to appreciate the stools though I think I am nearly the only one. They provide a separate place for people operating from a wheelchair, as well as general wheelchair access.

They aren't equipt to take money in this zone. They do that exclusivly at the back of the store. You can directly place orders using the computer terminals, but I don't know if you can do payments through that as you can on the web.

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John So

>They also have an "express pickup" option. You phone into the store and place your order and pay by credit card. They will pick the items (ready within an hour) and you go through a separate entrance (by-passing any lineup) to pick up your order.

Another thing that was not mentioned is the store sales table. Here they have items which were returned or damaged that they sell at a discount. I'll always pop in just to see what's in the display case.

js

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Jerry Nicholson

>The Grizzly store in Springfield Mo has the checkout area in the back too. But "helping yourself" to much of the merchandise up front would require a team effort - lots of heavy iron!

I think LV needs a store right near the middle of the US - how about Wichita?

Jerry

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Hey! No fair!

Scott Burr in cold Ben Lomond CA

>I wanna see too!

Please...

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Steve Kubien

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Steve Kubien

>Jim said, "a true model of managed inventory control!" Well of course. That's what I do at the downtown TO store! As for appearance, the DT store is pretty cool. The building is 100+ years old with high (16-18ft) ceilings, original douglas fir posts and beams, a birch floor which has aged very well, all original brick work along the outside walls. Really a homey feel.

If you have been into the Orvis flagship store, you will get an idea of what being in a Lee Valley is like. I was pretty amazed when I was there this past summer. It felt like LV but with fishing rods! Staff was very similar as well.

Cheers,

Steve Kubien

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Ted Wong

>I have the record vise on my bench at work and I really like it. We also have about a dozen of the turn the turn the handle to release type of vises made by Wilton many years ago. For the most part they are adequate but they can be a drag to use some times when the mechanism sticks. Sometimes we have to jiggle the handle several times as we yank it into the release position.

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I was thinking Austin. :)

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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You broke up both legs?!

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Thanks, Steve, sounds like a beautiful store I'll want to visit if I ever get to Toronto again.

Pam

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Cool.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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Steve Kubien

It would be a pleasure...

Steve Kubien

>...to meet you or any other WoodCentralians who stop by the place. If you're there, let me know.

Steve Kubien

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Will do, thanks.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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