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An observation that may be obvious to others

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An observation that may be obvious to others

Bill Houghton, retired fun in Sebastopol, CA

>With the discussions of workbenches lately, I thought I'd mention something I noted in making the bed molding last week. My bench dog system uses a small Record vise as a tail vise, with the dogs then centered on the vise's sliding dog. This puts the bench dogs about 4 inches (10 cm for you metric folks) in from the front of the bench.

It surprised me, in making the molding, to find that this was a problem. Some of the planing would have worked far better if the dogs were closer to the front edge of the bench, say 2 inches (50 cm). I'm going to need to think about this when my bench goes through its next evolution. I've been considering a different dog design anyhow; this spurs me to thinking more about it.

Another note: when planing the angles at the edges, I should NOT have used a No. 78. The benchtop now has a long angled groove in it where the corner of the iron plowed a furrow. Oh well - I'm getting ready to replace that (ugly painted solid-core door) top anyway (with an unpainted, slightly more attractive solid-core door from my father's garage).

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Re: An observation that may be obvious to others

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native, Presently Away

>A timely observation for me Bill. I have got my top to the point where I need to make the dog holes, and was just today comptemplating their placement while I was making the board jack. My last bench I had, as Jack pointed out, was Swiss cheese'd and I wish not to do that again.

I do however have a plan, but it's not firm. All my dogholes

will be 3/4" and round to accomadate my holdfasts. There will be two rows of them, the first row 2" from the edge, and the second row about 3-4" to the left of them. This to accomodate a short board to be used as a stop. To the left of the second row of dogholes will be third row of 3/4" holes spaced to just a little over the reach of my holdfasts, these specifically for holdfasts, and spaced from the edge so that the pad will fall over the first row of dogholes.There will be no vise on the end of my bench to align with the dogholes.

To make these holes I will make a jig as a guide in attempt to get them all lined up squarely with each other.

I'll read thru my Workbench book a bit more before committing tho.

Got the board jack up and running, and in my trial run it worked a' treat!

Todd O.

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Not too obvious to me...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA

>Thanks for letting us know about your dilemma. One more thing to take into consideration as I design my bench.

Oh yea, Sorry to hear about your now groovy bench top.

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Re: Not too obvious to me...

Dean J in MN

>And don't forget fenced planes -- need to have room for the fences to hang over the edge of the bench. Crochets/face vise needs to allow that fence to pass -- or a way to secure work such that the vise is not in the picture, planing stop far enough behind the face vise for example.

Dean

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Re: clothespin.

thomd

>Presumably that's why they have tail vices. Some use either two records or one positioned at the tail, as you say, but proper tail vises ore the double handle jobs work bettr. The veritas Tucker, has two dogs so you could get the piece a lot closer to the edge, though it would be a terrible expensive tail vise.

You could probably rig a spring loaded affair with a dog on the face side so that when you tightened your Record the dog would be on the left side of the vise. Imagine a sping clamp being tightened in a vise, except its a wooden one. If the handle side had a dog, it would track in and out as you tightened the handle. and there are doubtless other possible mechanisms, like hinged Xs. Anything that stops the dog skewing under pressure, and holds it in place when the jaw tightens. you just need enough movement for your dog spacing on the face of the bench, or maybe a dog, and one with a wider head, if the spacing is too large.

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Re: clothespin.

thomd

>Nastier version would be to clamp a dog to the moveable jaw. Or make the cussion of wood for the outside jaw aobut 1.5 inches so it could carry dogs.

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