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sharpening question

chichi


>I hollow grind a chisel on a grindstone and smooth the back to a mirror polish. The chisel cuts amazingly. If I touch the bevel to a stone put a secondary bevel, the chisel gets much duller. I am cutting end grain to test for sharpness? Is it necessary to hone the bevel after the grind and is it normal the honing causes some dullness in order to get a tougher edge?

I have been sharpening on oil sytones and thought chisels were sharp because I could shave hair. A friend sharpened a chisl for me using his tormek and it was amazing how much sharper. My oilstones are not as flat as they can be. Is flatness that super critical?I have a very hard arkansas stone for final honing. It is flat but lower grits are not.

Thanks for advice.

Bob

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david charlesworth


>The oilstones should produce a better polish than the grinding wheel, so the edge should be significantly sharper.

I can only suggest two things;

1. the wire edge or burr is not being polished off properly, possibly due to lack of relative flatness between the tool back and your finest stone. ( I go into a lot of detail here on my 4th DVD which is finally available ;-)

2. that the oilstones are not fine enough.

I strongly suspect the former.

Perhaps try alternating between bevel side and back several times, on your finest stone. Then examine the edge under magnification. The edge should be fairly straight and clean with no slivers/ribbons of metal hanging on.

best wishes,

David Charlesworth

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Joel


>David's diagnosis might be correct. It is also possible that the angle of your secondary bevel is so high and inconsistent that then final edge has more resistant than the lower angle ground edge.

With a freshly ground edge it is extremely easy to maintain the lower grind angle when honing.

Click the link below for step by step instructions on sharpening freehand with oilstones - the instructor is the same person who does the new Norton sharpening video. it's really easy to learn.


how to free hand hone and sharpen.

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Reviewed on Popular Woodworking *LINK*

Ted Owen, Pittsburgh


>Chris Schwarz has posted a very nice review on the Popular Woodworking site.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/blog/DVD+Review+Precision+Preparation+Of+Chisels+For+Accurate+Joinery.aspx

Best, Ted


DVD Review

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chichi


>David and Joel,

Thanks for the tips. I worked a few more chisels and made sure Imade sure I caught the grind bevel when I started honing. I think I was holding the handle too high, threby blunting the ground edge as I honed. I seemed to have much better luck this time . I will try again as soon as they are dull and let you know if I am still having a problem. Thanks for the help. P.S. I just bought David's book last week so it was very impressive that he would help out a newbie like me, not even knowing I was already a fan. Very appreciated.

Bob

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Who is the "instructor"?

woodburnbob


>I've read that presentation on your site several times, Joel. It really is excellent, perhaps the best I've seen. But who is the fellow who's old, sagacious, journeyman hands are pictured. Gosh, the looks of those hands are testimonial in and of themselves.

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joel -( tools for working wood)


>The guy who did the demo is Maurice Fraser who taught for 30 years at the crafts students league in NYC (now defunck). I had the fortune to study with him for several years and I can say he is the finest teacher I have ever had in any subject. He has the ability to break things down and explain them without dumbing them down at the same time.

He would have whole classes free hand sharpen perfectly by the end of the first class. And it's a totally repeatable technique.

Fortunately Norton Abrasives liked his approach and last year we shot a video with him demonstrating his technique. He does an oilstone version I do the exact same thing with waterstones and I've been getting email from all over the world (it's been a really popular DVD ). The general consensus is that Maurice's video is really great. I look like a deer in headlights. The point of the web page and the video is that it's all the right technique and training your hands - which is pretty easy to do if you want to.

I hope I can convince Maurice to do more videos in the future on other subjects because he makes everything so easy.


the Norton sharpening video with Maurice Fraser

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John in Ks

>Joel,

How long do you think it will be before you have the DVD back in stock?

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Joel

>We have plenty of the waterstone videos in stock. I had thought we got a new shipment of oilstone videos but if not they should be along any day. You can order anytime.

thanks,

joel

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