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DT Maker thingy

Joe in a Cleveland suburb


>Hello.

I am considering ordering either the LV Veritas Dovetail Marker or the LV Veritas Dovetail Saddle Markers. Other than price, is there a significant difference between the two? Is either one designed specifically for tails or pins first? Should I consider something else?

I'm thinking one of these little markers would be helpful and make the process a bit more consistent. I know I can just set a bevel gauge to the proper angle, or even make one, but I just wanted to see what you expert hand tool folks think about them.

Thanks,

Joe

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Some people,... *LINK*

Ted Owen, Pittsburgh


>myself included, don't use either. Mark for depth only and cut the angles at whatever looks pleasing.

See DOVETAIL A DRAWER WITH FRANK KLAUSZ.

Best, Ted


Frank Klausz Video's

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Dean J in MN


>I'm with Ted, just cut them as the woodworking spirit moves you. I mark out a line square to the face across the end of the tail board (I'm a tail-first guy most of the time) to make sure the tails are square to the board, as well as the baseline. In time I see the square line being superfluous as well, but for now I spend the time laying them out.

Dean

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Steve Kubien

I use neither... *LINK*

Steve Kubien


>Hi Joe,

Following someone else's lead (may have been Sir William), I took a saddle square (see link) and ground down the long sides to the taper I wanted (1:7-ish). This put the short wing on the edge of the board and the longer running down the face. I found it more comfortable to use, but I do not think it makes a heap of difference.

Take care,

Steve Kubien


saddle square

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thomd


>I think a bevel gage is best. I like the small one that LV came out with. Though I'm sure it nothing whatever to do with their coice to produce it, the moment they brought out the big one I asked for the small one and was very plesed when they released it. I really need the versatility to develop angles based on the project and not some arbitrary measure. What is more the very shallow angled dovetails that were popular back in the 70s no longer are, though they are built into a number of the jigs and guides.

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Re: Woodjoy Dovetail template

thomd


>The catalog picture is of some pretty coarse joints. I lay that kind of work out and nicer just by eye. I use the sliding bevel only for the the really neat freak work.

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)


>I could have added that this is template is just a brass and steel version of the one advocated by Rob Cosman (his is made from wood). I recall seeing a favourable review of it by Christopher Schwartz (PW?). It is compact and handy enough to keep in one's pocket.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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thomd


>And I certainly didn't mean to imply it wouldn't be a good choice or product. I'm sure if Derek uses it it's pretty sweet.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX


>I still like the idea of Kingshott's plexiglass or other plastic version, if I were to use such a thing. It's so much easier to free hand cut dovetails, but for the first couple you make it's probably a good idea to lay them out very carefully.

Pam

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Make your own?

David Charlesworth


>We made Cosman type, almost identical to woodjoy, out of wood.

This is shown in Joyce, from wood and works extremely well.

In fact we made two. One at 1:8 and one at 1:6.

David Charlesworth

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Jack Guzman from Maine

"shown in Joyce"

Jack Guzman from Maine


>David,

What exactly does that refer to?---Jack

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Re: "shown in Joyce" *LINK*

Greg B�tit, Vergennes, VT.


>Encyclopedia of Woodworking, by Ernest Joyce?


Amazon.com sells it.

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Let your compter do it... *LINK*

Donald Pierson


>Joe,

Rather than marking the boards this site will print out a pattern you can glue onto your boards and then cut the dovetails. I am a software geek so I wrote my own software for dovetails and twisted dovetails and the process works very well. You still have to get your boards staight and square and cut to a line! Don in Vancouver,WA,USA...computer mispelled to prove I am a geek!LOL


Dovetail Templates

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thomd


>I used to teach not laying them out for the first few. It speeds things up so much that one can actually get more practice in.

More importantly, less lines seem to lead to better sawing. There is actually an art to sawing close to a line that is in some ways constricting. Sawing straight and to the line is more difficult than sawing straight. If it's a decent saw, as long as you start it square and don't torque it the saw will drop straight, getting it to do that right next to a line is a little more difficult amd all of a sudden the student is binding the saw and fighting it. This really seems to help... those folks who aren't so scared by the idea of no lines they freak at first blush.

Of course for those who can saw it's a moot point.

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thomd


>If you have a laser printer you can actually transfer directly to the wood, or a T-shirt.

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Interesting, hard to argue with success.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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Glenn Livingston


>The truth is the dovetails shown in the tool photo as a background prop are from my first attempt at cutting dovetails by eye freehand with a crude bowsaw years ago. A neater background may be more inspiring as shown in the dovetailed draw cut by hand by my photographer and used in another layout tool shot.

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Darrin


>Joe,

Here is one I made, About three inches long. With a 1:7 angle.

Darrin


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