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LN 4.5 Bronze comparison

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LN 4.5 Bronze comparison

Dave Thompson


>I was doing a some comparisons with a Bronze LN4.5 tonight, and thought I might share some observed differences. My basis of comparison is an iron LN 4.5 that was from LN's first batch of #4.5, so some differences may only be relevent in that context.

  • Blade: The 4.5B has a 5/32" thick blade, while the iron 4.5 has a 9/64" thick. Ofcourse the new one is also cryo treated A2, and my old one is I believe O1.

  • Chip breaker: I've not owned a new improved chip breaker before. I presume they are all (iron or bronze) made like this. 4.5B has a 1/8" thick cap iron while the old is 1/16" thick with a curved end. If it weren't for the very slight concave grinding on the back of the 4.5B chip breaker, it almost looks like it might double as a back up iron...just shift the projection and flip.

  • Very little backlash on depth adjustment with the new 4.5B. With my old 4.5, I see almost 1 1/2 turns before engaging in the opposite direction. With the new 4.5B, I see about an 1/8 turn before engaging. This is by far the smallest backlash I've seen on any Bailey plane before.

  • Tote cocobolo grain orientation on the 4.5B is horizontal. All other cherry LN's, I believe have vertical grain orientation on the tote. While not common I have a stanley or two with horizontal grain on tote. I would imagine this was chosen for aesthetic reasons with regards to the cocobolo.

  • Commemorative stuff.... It says 2006 on toe, and has TLN's signature on the side. I'm not sure where the serial number thing is. I don't see it anywhere on the plane. It just came with a card that said what number it was.


Of course, my reasons for buying one had almost nothing to do with the above, though I do welcome the lack of backlash. The primary reason for me was the weight factor. My non-exotic dream smoother was once a Stanley #4.5H. Though these are so uncommon and pricey, I never got my hands on one. That desire vanished when LN came out with an iron 4.5 which was approximately the same weight as a #4.5H. I like the added weight in a smoother. It aids in momentum, which I believe helps reduce damage as tearout is occuring. It also reduces chances of skipping, which occurs at higher angles and/or certain difficult wood/grains, or when the blade dulls. Skipping leaves a nasty mark almost as bad as tearout. 7 lbs was the target in my project plane which I haven't completed yet. Of course this is all personal preference and how much one values a light smoother versus being averse to the risks above on the medium at hand. The LN4.5B that arrived at my house comes in at 6lbs 10oz, and feels pretty good to me. As a comparison, here are some relevent, by either size or weight, planes.



PlaneWeight

LN 4.5B 6lbs 10oz

LN 4.55lbs 12oz

LN 4B4 lbs 9oz

LN 1643lbs 13oz

Stanely 36 3lbs 10oz

LN 5.57lbs 4oz

LN 55lbs 6oz

LN 624lbs 12oz


enjoy,

Dave

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Re: LN 4.5 Bronze comparison

Todd from San Jose


>Dave,

Glad to hear you'll be a user, taking that Ferrari for a spin, rather than leaving it in the garage!

Please keep us posted on how it performs- whether it meets your expectations, and how it compares to the performance of the LN4.5 iron plane.

Do you happen to know how long LN will be offering the bronze edition?

Todd

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Ian Smith (Sydney Australia)


>Todd,

Lie-Nielsen are making 500 of the bronze 4.5's and they claim that when they're gone they're gone. Someone on WoodNet has posted that they've been told there are about 70 of the 500 left.

Regards,

Ian.

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Andrew Dix


>Dave,

A moderator (Cian) is making a registry of the Bronze planes for people on the Woodnet Forum. I am trying to get the number of other planes not on Woodnet, so would you please post your plane's number? Thanks

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Just another characteristic to add to the arsenal

Dave Thompson


>While I think it's a nice looking plane, I don't think for a moment I would consider buying it and not using it. Most of the beauty is in how it performs, which would be lost if I didn't use it. The only decorative planes I have are woodies with blown out wedge holders.

Dave

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Dave Thompson


>I'm not sure how much it's going to help. As far as I can tell, the numbers aren't on the plane. I have a piece of paper that says it's 42.

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Numbering...

Martin from Granbury


>I have one of these on order. Is anyone else disappointed that the serial number is on a piece of paper rather than on the plane? I am a LN fan, but I thought the number would be on the plane, as in "56 of 500" or something similar.

Martin, who rarely complains about anything made by LN

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Hard to do

jim reed @ tallahassee


>The planes are probably made in batches, so the number is the packing number. Marking the planes would require stamping (ugh, not so nice looking) or engraving (pretty spendy$$$). Why not take it to your jeweler and have him engrave the number on it?

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Good suggestion, Jim, I may do that.

Martin from Granbury

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Gossamer Shavings and Spider Webs

Dave Thompson


>I had about 10 minutes to play with it for the first time before the kids came home this evening. This photo is in the condition straight out of the box from LN. All I did was loosen the lever cap screw and set the depth adjustor.


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Re: Gossamer Shavings and Spider Webs

Dan Clermont in Burnaby


>You suck!!!!

Glad to see it is gonna be a user

Cheers

Dan C

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les winter


>I received my LN 4.5 Bronze and sharpened it up this morning. I compared it to my Bedrock 604 1/2 which has a LV replacement iron and a Hock replacement chip breaker.

I tried planing with and against the grain on two pieces of plain sawn cherry and one piece of hard maple.

The LN was noticeably harder to push, which I attribute to the higher pitch.

Frankly, there wasn't much difference between the two. I did notice the lack of lash on the LN. I'm not too big and the extra weight was not too welcome.

I did get full width shavings with the LN compared with lesser width shavings on the Bedrock. Probably a difference in camber.

All in all, I think I would be just as happy with an iron 4.5 50 degree LN.

I'm not sorry I have the new LN. I'll probably sell my Bedrock and maybe trade the new LN for an iron one. Maybe.

Oh: 25 degree bevel on both, 30 degree sharpening and 32 degree honing, on water stones to 8000 grit; LV Mk 2 honing guide. Then leather strop and backing off on a maple board with LV green compound.

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