Which to but Veritas or LN???

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Dan Clermont in Burnaby


>Hi Bart

I wouldn't buy the LN 7.5 cause I don't like the fact the mouth is not adjustable.

With that said and the fact you have several other LN planes why not buy a LN 7 so you can interchange blade chipbreaker combo's with your other LN planes providing they have blades the same width as the LN 7

No comments on the Veritas Jointer.

Dan Clermont

There is no "better".

Paul Kierstead

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX


>How about treating yourself to a C&W jointer (30" long beauty) and jack (more like a scrub).

Pam

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

John Hoffman


>The reason the LN LA jointer doesn't have an adjustable mouth is that it is designed to hog off material, a coarse/medium tool. That said I have used one to take gosamer shaving off birds eye maple. If you got one then you would not also need to get a scrub plane because you could use the LA jointer. I don't like using a scrub plane because the sole of the plane is too short and it makes the flattening of a board problematic. IMO the best jointer plane is the LN 8. That thing is awesome and the extra weight really helps get through the wood in a smooth stroke. The 7 jointer is also suburb. Good luck.

John H

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Todd from San Jose


>How funny, we've got the same dilemma- See my thread below, "Birthday's a commin'..."

I like both brands. For me, the LN #8 gets the nod. This is more personal preference than anything. I know that I love my LN #4 smoother. I like the way it feels in my hands. I like, and am used to, the adjustment mechanism. I am used to the LN handle, and the LV is slightly different. I'd probably love the LV too, but I'm going with what I know. I like the mass, width and length of the #8.

Rob Cosman says he doesn't use his #7 any more, since getting the #8 (I found a thread in the archives "#7 Vs. #8," or something to that affect). But others like the #7, and the low angle jointers. Derek Cohen (I hope I didn't butcher his name) has written a nice article on the Veritas bevel up jointer, see the WC Articles and Reviews.

The LN #7's frog can be exchanged with the 4-1/2 and 5-1/2, so there are advantages if you already have either of those planes.

But my B-day present is gonna be either a LN #5 or #8.

Happy birthday, and enjoy whatever you get!

Todd

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native Presently Away :~(


>Bart,

Other than Vintage scrubs I can speak of none others than my LN, and Brother, I am here to tell you I love, love, love that thing! Tote is large and you can really muckle onto that thing and hog, hog, hog. On vintage one my fingers come in contact with the back of the iron and it's support and makes my fingers sore, but not so with the LN. If you want a non vintage scrubber this one would be very hard to beat IMO.

Good luck making a decision, as Pam stated, but I cannot testify too, some of the woodies are also excellent choices given the reviews they've gotten.

Todd O.

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Dan Clermont in Burnaby


>I agree the LN 8 is in a class of its own even though I mentioned up above using the LN 7 over the LN 7.5

Dan Clermont

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Thom D


>I have the low angle LV jointer, and it is a really nice plane. So far I am not finding it superior to my record 7 as far as the format is concerned. It might be just as good with the right angle on the plane, but since I already have several mid angle jointers I haven't bothered with that experiment.

You should be able to knock together a wooden scrub in about 45 minute, so that wouldn't cost much to try. I'm not sure who makes wooden scrubs I know the ece/primus folks have one, maybe clark and williams. I have a home made wooden scrub with an ece blade that I really like, though it is pretty extreme in radius, but it is really free cutitng. The key is an enormous mouth which pretty much makes the whole thing a no-brainer, since a lot of the little detailing one learns over the years is just not necesarry here.

Lignum is no real advantage on a wooden plane, it won't hurt much though I can't see much positive about the moisture ballance. If you look at the Japanese planes they are riding on less than one square inch of white oak. Sole wear just isn't the problem it is made out to be. It does seem to be one of the prefered professional touches of amateurs. When I first made wooden planes I though the more exotic bodies and soles where the master's touch... I do think that if you can find something cool about wooden planes that pleases you, whatever that is, it's bound to be a more interesting path than feeling like those kids on the cerals ads who don't want to eat it just because it is good for them.

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Paul Kierstead


> I don't like using a scrub plane because the sole of the plane is too short and it makes the flattening of a board problematic.

You use it strictly "targeted", i.e. you know where to take off and roughly how much. In this case it doesn't really matter how large the sole is; it is a very coarse tool. It is handy if you have a board really badly out of planar, otherwise a Jack seems more useful.

About the scrub plane ... *LINK*

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)


>Hi Bart

When using/choosing a scrub plane, my preference is one that is suited to the task at hand.

In my experience there is a difference in hogging hard vs softwoods. For hardwoods I much prefer a heavier plane over a lighter plane since the momentum aids greatly in making thick chips. For really hardwoods, such as Jarrah, I turn to a Stanley #5 1/2 with a 3" radiused blade for wide boards. For narrower boards or smaller areas I am happy using a LV Scrub.

For softwoods I will turn to a Stanley #40 or the LV Scrub.

Please note that I have not used the LN Scrub, which is smaller and lighter than the LV. I am not ignoring the LN (based on the Stanley #40 1/2) - I just do not have any experience with it to comment on how it compares.

Below is a link to my review of the LV Scrub, and contains references to the Stanley #40 and an ECE-type woodie scrub.

Regards from Perth

Derek


Review of LV Scrub

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

paul womack


>I am also in need of a Scrub Plane. Any suggestions?

This was the subject of two (over) heated threads on woodenet.

Amongst the spite and vitriol there IS some excellent information:

using a scrub

history of the scub

BugBear

My 2 cents.

Vlad


>I think you made the right decision in buying the LV shoulder plane. Very nice.

As for the jointer plane, I'd go with the LN #7. The 7 1/2 is just not that impressive to me. If it had a moveable mouth then absolutely. If you want to keep costs down, then look at the LV jointer.

As for the scrub...do you really need one? If so, go for the LN. I had a close look at the LV and it looked kinda...mmmmm....how do I say cheap. Don't hit me Rob....ouch....that hurt!

Vlad (ducking and running)

Re: My 2 cents.

Thom D


>The one thing about LV planes, at least the black ones, is that they started out as a kind of no-name brand that is supposed to cheap and between the price of junk and LN. Sorta uglied up to look the part, like no-name shoping centers. But the more recent stuff I have bought is actually handsome. They seem to have made some subtle changes in the wardrobe like different handle materials and the paint has a different look, more matt or something. I wonder whether these changes are now being run back through the whole line?

On the weight thing I find no difference in working hardwoods or softwoods with wooden planes. I'm the weight behind the plane, the plane's weight is comparatively meaningless except as a way to tire me out. I think most planes of this category are far more sensitive to blade shape, and the ECE blade that LV sold/sells will rip a new one into any piece of hardwood, including end grains.

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Dean J in MN


>I'd second Pam's suggestion.

-Dean

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Thom D


>True, and there is a sweetspot where a longer plane will be ideal but only for a fairly narrow range of board lengths, beyond a certain point, or under it, the plane will not produce automatic results and the benefit of a longer sole is not necesarilly there. You still need to check against reference or layout, and it doesn't necesarilly require a longer sole to get accurate results.

Re: Which to but Veritas or LN???

Ian Smith (Sydney Australia)


>I've got a Lie-Nielsen No. 8. It is a very nice plane.

Regards,

Ian.