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4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER PIX]

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4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER PIX]

Steve Mackay


>OK, I actually sat down and wrote this out. As much for Mr. �I�ll remember� as others. I�m sure my terms are fuzzy and my method is wrong in many ways. BUT what turned out is pretty darn good I didn�t �distress� it because my intention was for it to look good and work good. It looks like a new finish. I only hope that the Craftsman who used it before me would like what he saw. Pretty sure he would. Its got another eighty years left in it! As I write this I�m watching for the High Priests of Tools in the Black Suburbans to pull up in the driveway.


OK, �JAPANNING for Idiots� :

1) Its NOT alchemy, mystic or magic. Its like fly-fishing. The Gurus would want you to think it�s a cosmic mystery. NOT!

2) I�ve learned that some things aren�t worth it. Cleaning a rusty, gooey, nasty plane body is one of them. Just pay The Man to bead blast it. Cost me two old Sportster wheels. Or 10 bucks. Which. Just pay. You�ll thank your self! Your local bike shop is best. Always an adventure there.


3) I wiped it down with alcohol with rag and Q-Tips. �Just �Cause�. Do the same job you�d do with an M-16. �Till you get nothing on the rag.

4) If the material you�ve got has �asphaltum� in it you�re gonna cook it. There are imitations out there that say don�t cook �em. I know NOTHING about these. Stanley used the old style so that�s what is going on. REAL men /women . . . blah, blah.

5) Apply your first coat a pretty stiff brush. You�ll see why. This stuff is really goopy. I didn�t thin, warm, or otherwise fool with it. Later on it will all even out when you cook it. Coverage is thin. Its going to look like you just smeared it with dirty engine oil. Good enough! Let it sit for a day, day and a half. It doesn�t really dry so I don�t know why but I did. Just �cause!

6) Here�s this risky part . . .When your spouse leaves for work, Put the plane body in the oven and fire it up to 400 degrees. Now, I never got any odors or smell. But if you do it first thing when he /she leaves the house you�ll have time for any damage control you might need to perform. Let it cook for an hour then turn off the oven. I just let things ride �till all had cooled off.

7) When next you look, the finish is going to look �bumpy�. Kind of like acne. Don�t panic. Its OK. You�ll want to sand it. Don�t!

8) Now put on two more coats and cook each one. After MY third coat & cook the finish was smooth and even.


With all that said, heres a few observations I need to remember:

1) Like I said, after the first coat it looked �rough�. I�m guessing that the point at which the material �flows� or �fluxes� (?) is AROUND 400 degrees and goes up a bit with each coat. I�m not a chemical engineer but it worked out.

2) I cleaned the bare metal surfaces before each baking. I thought the material inside the body might peal off with the �over-paint�. And . . . Mr. Yoder told me to.

3) What I�ve wound up with is hard to describe. It�s a smooth, even finish that �looks� �soft�. Not like any paint or coating I�ve used before and THAT�S a LOT. AND I did it an �authentic� way. Guess that�s what makes it look so good. Well worth the journey!

One thing more . . . I didn�t strip the frog. To wussy to work around the lateral adjustment lever. And the finish looked pretty good. Just one edge peeling back on the underside. Made a discovery though. Super glue appears to melt the material back onto the metal and BOY is it stuck! I know I departed from �authentic� but, like I said, I wussed out on the frog!

Now, re-polish your bare metal surfaces and apply Johnson�s paste wax and buff X3 coats.

Now the High Gurus may feel free to tear me limb from limb. The secret is out.

No, really! I can take it! I�m sure I missed something.

Can�t wait for the iron to get back from my �Sharpening Dude� and see the whole rig together.


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Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER PIX]

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Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) . . .

Paul M. in San Diego


>Hi Steve,

Are you going to have to remove the japanning from the seats where the frog sits? If so, then how hard will that be to remove? I've always seen the contact pads between the frog and the plane having a smooth contact surface without japanning. It looks from the picture that the entire inside of the plane has been covered.

It may be the glare from all that bright and shiney japanning that is fooling my eyes. That plane glows!

Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER PIX]

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Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) . . .

Steve Mackay


>He, he ! Naw. We're STILL raing in El Paso and rust takes about thirty seconds to start. Waitinbg for the iron to get back and it all goes back together. Then I think I can use a razor to trim out the pads and peel them off. Avoiding them while painting looked like a "no-winner".

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Look nice Steve...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA


>Turned out nice IMHO. An xacto knife will remove the japaning from the frogs mating surfaces. Now the real question why don't you sharpen your own blades?

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I guess thats WC's next lesson for this GI !

Steve Mackay

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Re: Look nice Steve...

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native now in Jax Fl.


>Very good show Steve! I'm pretty much on the fence when it comes to the issue of re-japanning, but I have nothing against it, nor feel any ill will towards those whom do it. Be careful not to re-japan a a real collectable/valuble plane tho. This is one of those debates that can really start a war.

We as tool users do create our own delimmas when it comes to old tools. Refurbish to new condition, or just clean off the rust and grime and let it go at that so as not to take away any of it's "history". I often think as I clean up a rusty plane/tool that I am in fact removing some of it's hisoty, as part of it's history was the fact that it got rusted and delapitated in the first place.

I congratulate you on what appears to be a job well done, and for getting to check another "I've always wanted to do that" box.

Just a quick clarification question tho, after the first coat is cooled and you apply the second and third coats do you have to wait for a day or so before baking?

Make sure to show us the final result of your efforts eh? Yeah right, like I have to say that eh? ;~)

Now get thee some nice Arkansas Stones and get to doing your own sharpening! I can point you to a reputable dealer of them on e-bay if your interested. I have no financil interest in this dealer, just a satisfied customer.

Todd O.

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Re: Look nice Steve...

Ernie Miller


>At first I thought you were going to give him my e-Bay name then I read reputable and knew better. Am I holding some stones for you? Can't remember what is to go in the next care pakage besides lever caps.

Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER PIX]

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Re: Look nice Steve...

Steve Mackay


>Thank you ! And, yes Sir. I did wait about a day between coats. Like I said, I dont know if that does much as it does'nt really "dry". Just habit I guess. As for the irons . . . this one (and my 5 1/4 dumpster find) were REALLY hacked up bad. I sent them off so he could, at least, give me a starting point. My next BIG commision check and I'll get those Hock blades for 'em. Just wanted to have the origanals for "posterity". Like you said, the difference between using them and "collecting" them . . .! And you can bet you'll see this one when its ready ! You get proud of them to a fault. Just ask My "Boss" !

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Well Ernie,

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native Presently Away :~(


>Othan than the few stones, and that #1 I really don't remember what else if anything was to go into the next "care package". Guess I need to go check out your latest wares eh.

T O.

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Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER

Roy Hennagir


>Steve,

Good job on that plane! Like I said you will now have to make a box to store it in because it is now yours and that is priceless! I have a big ole pile of planes and despite what folks say a common plane that is redone and looks great will out sell the rust covered patina plane with all of its history. It�s patina and history when you sell, rust and damage when you buy. The problem with most folks is they do not want to spend any time cleaning or restoring anything because of the effort involved. Jump on Ebay and take a look at the prices realized for old, vintage, antique handsaws and you will see that rehabbed saws in some cases sell for hundreds and the patina laden versions won�t even get a bid. I am impressed! Thanks for posting all of the information. I like your style!

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Re: 4c Saga (or "You CAN Japan!) [REVISED: BIGGER

Steve Mackay


>Thank you Sir ! Wait 'till ya see the woods ! As to a box . . . I've been having halucinations of a "home-built" "roll-away" Gerstner style with about a hundred cool drawers. So far a pretty hefty "scrap" collection up in the garage rafters.

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