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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI


>I sometimes find myself thinking about the things I take for granted, and one of those things is to turn on a faucet and get hot water out of it. Wednesday our water heater stopped working, and we thought about how old it was and the fact that a 30 gallon water heater is not really big enough for a family of four, and went and bought a new one. On Monday, before the water heater, I had talked to a guy about cutting some logs on saturday morning, and I figured I could easily do both, cut the wood Saturday morning and replace the heater Saturday afternoon. It is kind of a long story, but figuring in the 2 hours I waited for the glue on the cpvc to cure before turning on the water and finding a major leak, (compounded by the fact that my last several plumbings had gone just fine so I put all my tools away) and then having to go get some more fittings, it was 10:00 pm last night when I turned on the juice to the water heater. I woke up at about 1/4 till four and of course had to go down and make sure none of the cpvc fitting had popped loose just to make sure, and then of course thinking about Darley's barn I can't go back to sleep. So now I am up, and did in fact have a nice long hot shower this morning. In about 45 mintues I will take off for the last big tool extravaganza of the year for me, and after that I can start looking forward to the salmon / steelhead sesason. All of this of course reminded my of going to visit my grandparents in Ohio when I was a young runt. They were Amish (a religion, not a type of person) and did not have any hot water in the house. The Amish churches vary quite a bit in their rules, and I think the Amish in this area have running hot water in their houses, but when my grandparents wanted a bath, they had to first of all light a fire in their wood stove. The next step was to set a pot of water on the stove, pumped by hand from the well. As a young teenager I of course thought this was just ridiculous, and was in fact ashamed of how backwards my heritage was. Now of course I wish I would have paid more attention and learned what I could from it, and I sometimes think of how nice it would be to live like that.

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Reds


>I had a chance to live like that for a period of 10 months in Trego Montana. I can honestley say that it was one of the hardest peiods of my life, but I can also say it was one of the most rewarding too. If my wife and I wanted to take a shower in the winter it was a half a days chore. I didn't have the luxury of a hand pump; I had to go down and break the ice on the crick and bail the water out one bucket at a time. Start the cook stove, heat the water and put it in a shower bag. This experience in the mountains of Montana made me appreciate many of the things that we all take for granted in our day to day life. A funny thing happened to me before I left my home in Maryland to live the life of my ancestors. My father told me "you are going back to what I have worked all my life to get away from". One mans shame is another mans bliss! I have always had an attraction to the old ways of doing things and have found pure joy in reading the posts on this messageboard. Thank you for your knowledge.

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mikew


>Hah! memories. Thanks, Moses.

1978 to 1988:


I would have liked a hand pump for a well. Heck, a real well would have been handy...Two boys were born in that cabin in the dead of winter.

It was a "simple" and good life. But, it did take a lot of work. The woodshed held 12 cord, two additional cords was for the wood cookstove. We used it all nearly every winter to combat the cold and to cook.

The bath water was heated every day on the stoves. Cold winter or hot summer [if we couldn't make it to the creek or the river that day].

Well, thanks for the memories...

Mike

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GolfSteve in Calgary


>Hi Moses,

Thanks for the reminescences. I wonder how much of us are attracted to handtools or the dark side because of our warm experiences of a simpler (but harder) way of life? Perhaps from our Grandparents, or perhaps from our past. I'm 36 years old...too young to typically have experienced life preceding WW-I, but my grandparents still live that life.

My Grandmother (Baba in Ukrainian) is around 84 years old. She survived WW-II as a forced labourer in Germany (and my Grandfather (Gido) survived deserting the Russian army only to be captured by the Germans). They came to Canada in 1948 with literally $5 in their pockets with my two-year-old dad in tow.

They lived on a stone infested farm in rural Manitoba and raised three kids. The second kid was born in the grainery shed they were living in at the time, and the third kid was born in the one room farmhouse.

Up till now this sounds like the typical rags to riches immigrant story, but my Grandparents never moved into the modern world. Baba is now about 84 years old, she still lives (by herself now) in the old shack of a farmhouse - it's a log cabin, insulated with clay and straw (as I've heard a thousand times; the clay and straw were mixed together by my Baba's bare feet, then hauled by hand 1/2 a mile to the house). The logs are now covered over with asphalt shingles. She still heats and cooks with woodstoves, and has no running water - neither hot nor cold. She gets water from a well two miles away, hauling it up pail by pail and taking it back to the farm in cream cans.

My last memory of my Gido is of him standing on the tailgate of a pickup truck, backed into the ditch by the well, with snow up to the top of the wheel wells. He was 74 years old at that time. He was drawing water from the well, bucket by bucket, in -30�C weather with no gloves on....a much tougher breed than the soft grandkid trying to help by making sure the rope didn't get tangled up and wondering how I was going to get the truck out of the snow filled ditch. He died of a heart attack - and no wonder because for breakfast every day he ate three home-grown eggs fried in a 1/4 cup of home-made lard. They only went into town about once every two months, and then they only bought flour, salt, sugar, clothes, and during the depth of the winter they would splurge on an orange or two.

My Grandparents just never moved into the modern world. They were raised as Ukrainian peasants, and they remained that way their entire life. Everything was hand-made. I remember watching Gido make a rolling pin from a chunk of firewood one cold December evening, scraping it with a piece of broken glass. We were all sitting on milking stools made from a chunk of firewood and a few sticks with the wood stove roasting beside us. I remember spending one incredibly hot, fly infested day, straightening recycled nails (no nails have ever been thrown out on this farm; there's now about twenty five-gallon pails full of nails that Baba and Gido have pulled, straightened, and saved for when they might need them). I remember picking stones and tossing them onto a sheet of 1/4" steel that was being pulled by "Babe", the old black work horse, I remember cutting grass with a scythe, killing pigs and chickens, pickling or canning cucumbers, apples, raspberries, headcheese, mushrooms, and baking bread.

What a rich experience for a kid now living in the city. I'm sad that my child won't get to experience this (hidden gloat - my first born in now six weeks old and is the cutest baby in the world. Anyone who thinks their kid is cuter gets a punch in the nose :-) )

Here's a picture of Baba doing her wash last summer. She collects rain water off the roof of the house and uses a wash board to wash the clothes. They gave up milking cows several years ago - thus the margarine container. It really pains Baba to now have to buy cream and butter in the store. She actually rants and raves about how much she hates margarine (she had to eat it during the war), so I'm not sure how the margarine container got into the picture.


Cooking dinner on the old wood stove. She bought that stove, used, from a local farmer in 1952. She thought it was very old when she bought it, but I've never tried to find out how old it is. The old washbasin on the stove is always filled with water, providing a ready source for warm washing water. As a kid I used to bathe in that basin.


And eating dinner at Christmas time last year. That plywood six board stool would probably fetch $150 in a local antique store as a "hand-painted, hand-made Ukrainian footstool found in rural Manitoba"...That old woodstove is my favourite memory of growing up. It's perfect for sitting on and warming up after being outside - just don't lean against the flue pipe. The curtains over the door on the left separate the bedroom from the main room. The newspapers on the floor are to wipe your feet on ... it's a farm so you're expected to wear your shoes indoors and Baba will give heck if you take them off.


ps. the blue Makita flashlight under the woodstove is needed to find your way to the outhouse during a blizzard. Thank heaven for modern conveniences...as much as I am nostalgic for that old lifestyle, I know that modern life is much more comfortable.

And a final shot about 12 years ago of Gido (on the left) cutting wood with about a 36" diameter saw blade mounted to the front of the tractor.



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Bill Houghton, foggy mornings in Sebastopol, CA


>and I get frustrated sometimes with all the physical labor I do on this place, with hot and cold running water, natural gas heat, 'lectricity...

You are blessed to have had those experiences and to have your grandparents as lively as they've been, Steve.

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI


>Thanks for the pictures and story. I found it very interesting. I'm sure that your grandparents lived a harsher life than mine did :) Sometimes it seems like WWII was a long time ago, but it really wasn't. Hard to imagine the things that people did without thinking about how hard they had it, and probably a lot more thankful for what they did have than I am. It looks like you have a great family, and I wish you the best of luck in raising yours. Treasure the time that you get to spend changing diapers; it really does not last long. My oldest daughter will be driving in a few years. Thanks for all the responses, they were all very interesting reading.

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Dave Thompson


>Steve, thanks for taking the time and sharing. You have a unique insite into a life style most people only read about. I enjoyed reading your post and looking at the photos.

Congratulations on the little one.... hope you can get some sleep.

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GolfSteve in Calgary


>Hi Moses. I know I've been lucky to have had four healthy grandparents for all long as I did. I only have two left and they are starting to show their age.

I treasure my new little girl. She's only six weeks old and it's hard to believe how much she has already changed. I was teaching her how to splash last night...I'm sure I'll regret it later :-)



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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine


>Moses,

When we first moved where we are now about 20 years ago,there were no power poles within several miles.We had a dug well and hand pumped our water for years.Hot water on the woodstove.Gas stove,gas lights,gas fridge.2 seater outhouse with curtains and potpourri sacks.We were content like this for 5 or 6 years.We used a 2200 watt generator to watch tv.

After we had the power brought in and upgraded all the facilities that lifestyle changed.But,during the big ice storm everyone lost power for weeks.It all came back.We put paper back in the outhouse and got out the lanterns.We were eating chili cooked on the woodstove and watching a movie by generator when a fireman knocked on the door carrying a flashlight.

He was checking to make sure everyone was ok. It was like a twilight zone moment.

We lose power every winter for a few days. I welcome it,get out a book and light the lanterns.If I want entertainment I have a radio that runs on batteries.

If it's daytlight and I'm home I usually work on small projects by the light of a window in the shop.

I think I would have liked life without electricity.---Jack

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Ernie Miller


>Thanks for the pictures. I to have spent days like that and hated them at the time but cherish the memories now. My family was a little further into the 20th century but not far. Life is great and kids now days have no idea what they are missing out on. Sittin on the stove to warm up!

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Ernie Miller


>How is you Daughter doing? I remember somthing about back problems? Better I hope!

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Ernie Miller


>That is great! That reminds me of the cabin we built in the 80's up in Wyoming Great Grandma homesteades there we made an octigonal cabin next to her old one with 15' sides how long is that cabbin? looks huge! My sister has been rebuilding Grandmas old cabbin for the last couple summers she spends about 4-5 months there as soon as she cna get there and heads out befor she gets snowed in.

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mikew


>Hi Ernie--not huge...20 x 20 actually. This is just before our first winter. We barely got the roofing on following this picture before the 4 foot of snow we had that winter. 20 below. It was a great life.


Our nearest neighbor was 1.5 miles. Nothing but National forest behind us over the mountains into Montana. Our place was in the Idaho Panhandle. North and east of Sandpoint some 20 miles as the crow flies.

We fished, trapped and hunted for most of the meat, grew some hardy veggies. Foraged for some. We had been married for about 3 years when we bought the little 60 acres we built the cabin on.

Our best to you and your sister! It's a lot of good work.

Take care, Mike

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Cecil Nickerson


>Thanks for the stories and pictures Steve and congratulations. I grew up in places like your grandparents' farm and its lifestyle. My Mum and Dad started married life in a place just like that and later moved to southern Alberta. We would, every year, spend all of their vacation time back in the Dapp/Jarvie area on my Uncles' farms and either do or be around all those daily chores. I remember helping cut firewood with a "buzzsaw" and using a horse-drawn mower in the hayfield.

Regards, Cecil

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Glenn Madsen near San Francisco


>That's one sturdy looking cabin, on a foundation that would give me the shivers, as if northern Idaho winters weren't enough!

Life was different in the sixties and seventies, wasn't it?

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Congrats Steve!

Brad in Ottawa


>Steve,

Congratulations!Looks like you definitely have your hands full! Could you ping me offline please.

Brad

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Jim Shaver Oakville, Ont.


>Hi Steve,

That is a wonderful story to keep close to your heart, it's totally amazing to share with us..amazing people.

take care,

Jim

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mikew


>"Life was different in the sixties and seventies, wasn't it?"

I dunno--cannot remember a lot of it .

Yes, the foundation was only temporary, meant to be replaced a couple years down the road...it is still standing on those original granite rocks. The rocks are mostly flat on two sides and actually are about 12" across [most dimensions] for the top rocks, bigger at the bottom and going down into the ground. Cabin is still level as well.

I won't mention the time I nearly spun it off the foundation the day I went to replace the pillars...Let's just say the view from the windows changed a little.

Take care, Mike

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Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native Now in FL. :~(


>I think I would have liked life without electricity

gotta agree with ya' there Jack, and if'n I had stayed single I'd probably be living that way right now. Coarse, this means no internet as well. I can't see the sense in fooling myself in having a generator and than claiming "I live with no lekkytricty". either you have it or you don't requardless of how it's produced IMO.

As with anything electricity has it's pros and cons and there are times when I think the cons far outweigh the pros. the biggest con being Dependency. Knock out the Electricity Nationwide for say 6 months and there'd be hundreds of thousands dead.

Todd O.

Todd O.

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