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Sharpening station and Nagura stone Question.

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Sharpening station and Nagura stone Question.

Joe in a Cleveland suburb


>Hello.

This past weekend I decided to sharpen some chisels and plane irons. I use water stones. Since I was sweating on my work, I decided it was best to stop and do some sharpening instead.

My sharpening stones are in water most of the time. When needed I put it on the workbench and start using it. That of course doesn't work well as the stone moves around not to mention the mess. I seem to recall seeing pictures of a setup where the stone is in a container and when used it sits on top of something out of the water.

Does anybody have any pics handy of their setup?

Also, I have a nagura (sp?) stone. That's not supposed to be kept in water all the time is it?

Thanks.

Joe

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John Todd


>Were you thinking of Lee Valley's "Stone Pond"?

I've been told to NOT keep the nagura in water.


Lee Valley/Veritas Stone Pond

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)


>Joe

I have the Veritas Stone Pond, but all I use it for is to store my 8000 King and a natural waterstone - dry. I found that the water would evaporate from this container, and the lower grit waterstones (1200 and below), which need to be stored wet, would dry out. These are now stored in a sealable Tupperware container of similar dimensions.

My waterstones go from container to my "waterstone board". This is a laminate-covered board that clamps a waterstone as well as a sheet of 220 grit drywall screen for flattening the waterstone.



Here is a close up of the clamps.



The advantage of clamping just one side of the mesh is that you can clean the underside easily.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Ian Smith (Sydney Australia)


>Hi Joe,

You could keep your stones in any old plastic container and then make yourself some kind of jig to hold your waterstones while you sharpen. The link below takes you to some pictures and an explanation of one I made. I've posted this link here before so appologies to those of you who have already seen it.

Regards,

Ian.


Waterstone Board

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#5

You beat me to it Derek.

Ian Smith (Sydney Australia)

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#6

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ThomD


>First distinction is whether your stones are natural or not. I assume they are synthetic and as such they can generally be stored in or out of water as you like. I store mine in water only when I am using them on a regular basis. I use a bucket because the store vertically in it which reduces cross-contamination. I have a veritas stone pond, but I don't use it, though the idea of using it just for finishing stones is pretty interesting. I sharpen on the floor since I find it so much more efficient, though I am not all that comfortable doing it.

Naguras are used dry and the natural ones (never had the synthetic) will fall appart in water. The nagura is used to clean the finishing stone, so I don't it would benefit from lubrication since I want it to grip up on the main stone. Though the stone it is cleaning will be wet.

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bill tindall


>Things I don't want to skid I put on the rubber mesh stuff used from drawer liners and under rugs. Works for cast iron and glass substrates I use in sharpening.

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I use a...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA


>Old cookie sheet with a rubber shelf mat in the bottom of it, soulds like the one Bill T. uses.

Nagura stones stay dry and out of the water.

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#9

Thanks for the ideas!

Joe in a Cleveland suburb

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#10

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David Charlesworth


>Seed trays from garden centre make a very in expensive pond & lid, though not sealed.

Very much like a sticky rubber mat, from www.dycem.com non slip solutions section. Easy to clean and very sticky, provided not too wet underneath. (used on a formica worktop, not the bench!)

best wishes,

David Charlesworth

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Hub777


>David,

ThomD said "The nagura is used to clean the finishing stone" in a previous post on this. Am I mistaken or is the Nagura really used to help generate a slurry to expedite the cutting process?

Thank you

Hub - remove 7 for e-mail

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Joe in a Cleveland suburb


>I thought it was for final honing. No?

Boy. Am I confused... see, I wonder over from the noisy side, and I get even more confused than normal! Just kidding. Kinda.

Thanks,

Joe

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#13

I have a feeling he ment...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA


>It de-glazes the stone by making a slurry. I have a feeling we're all talking about the same thing here. Just going around the block in a different direction, so to speak.

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Edward J


>I've actually got Veritas Stone pond, given to me by my Dad. Found it a hassle. What I use is a combination 1200/4000 stone and it sits in a s/s food container. I'm a Chef by trade, and I use a gastro-norm "1/4" size s/s container, the kind you see in food places to keep condiments in. There are flexible plastic snap-tite lids for these as well as a perforated plastic plates that sit on the bottom so that the stone rests on the plate, not the bottom of the container. (of course these plates are used in the food industry to keep tomatoes and the like from sitting in their own juice...)With the platic snap-tite lids, I find there's very little evaporation

To use my stone, I "converteted" the alum. tray from a toaster oven. I screwed and siliconed two wood cleats about 1" wide and the same hieght and width as the stone at each narrow end, and smaller strips on the sides to keep the stone in place. I screwed a cleat at the bottom of the tray so I can anchor the whole thing in my vice. Pop the wet stone in the tray, and your stone magically becomes almost 2"longer, so when you use a sharpening jig for plane irons you can max out the full length of the stone by starting the motion with the jig resting on the wood block and ending on the opposite wood block at the other end.

I don't have a stone finer than 4000, yet... But I glued a piece of leather on a board, charged the leather with LV green honing compound, and give my irons and chisels the once over as my final step.

In the summer, it helps to put a few drops of bleach in the water to keep it from get skanky. Make sure you stones are never in water at cold temps, or they'll freeze and crack.

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David Charlesworth


>I think Nagura performs both functions.

David

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