Pretty cool unusual plane Palmer and Storkes *LINK*

Re: Pretty cool unusual plane Palmer and Storkes

Denis Ch�nard, Orl�ans, Ont.


>Do I see the frog being adjustable at to its angle?

DC

Re: Pretty cool unusual plane Palmer and Storkes

William Duffield, on the Cohansey


>Arrrrgh! An Aurburn Metalic, with the adjustable mouth, adjustable bevel angle and even a lateral adjuster, well over a century old, and I think he was asking a reasonable price. I have lusted after one of these since the first one I ever saw, which belongs to Stephen Thomas. He owned it and did real work with it long before he ever built his first adjustable mouth infill smoother. Thus, I would consider it one of the major inspirations for the Loopy planes.

The Auburn however, considering its length, is a jack, not a smoother.

Thanks for not letting me know it was up for auction before the auction closed. Had I known, I might have broken my vow not to participate in eBay auctions, and squandered the egg money on it.

Here's my smoother

Bryan in Broad Ripple, IN


>Here's a picture of my #4 sized smoother by the Metallic Plane Company. Mine has an after market Ohio Tool Company blade that a previous owner fitted to the plane. I was glad to see these pictures as I originally believed that my lever cap was user made since it is kind of crude looking. I see now that it is original. This plane has 3 levers and an adjustment wheel...so it is off the charts for gizmosity.

Price I paid....$4.

-Bryan

Re: Here's my smoother

Dave Thompson


>Very cool Bryan, high gizmosity indeed. Thanks for sharing. Given the mating surface of the frog to thin blade, such as that jack has, I was curious how it handles with respect to chatter. Given that you have an Ohio blade in there now, I would venture a guess that's not an issue.

Do you use this one much? How would you compare lateral and depth adjustor to a Bailey? Any idea what the range is on the pitch adjustor? How does it compare weight wise to a Bailey of similar size (heavier or about the same)?

Thanks,

Dave

4 bucks eh? nice find. I paid more for my last Dunlap. ;-)

Wat's a loopy plane?

Roy Anderson


>You made reference to a loopy plane. Whazzat? I tried to search it up, but didn't find much. Sounds like something interesting. A pic or a web site would be appreciated.

Go here...

Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia


>Search for woodburnbob posts on this date (Sunday, 9 July 2006) titled appropiatly "HERE, LET ME HELP"

He posted pics. JR

Re: Here's my smoother

Bryan in Broad Ripple, IN


>Q: Given the mating surface of the frog to thin blade, such as that jack has, I was curious how it handles with respect to chatter.Given that you have an Ohio blade in there now, I would venture a guess that's not an issue.

A: Well, IMO, there is precious little contact area between the frog and the blade, so it looks like it would be a chatter monster. I think the Ohio blade was a user made remedy for this condition. Mine was well used, though, as the corregations on the toe have almost been worn completely off. I should note, though, that the corregations on this plane are pretty shallow to start with....maybe a fat 1/32" originally.

Q: Do you use this one much?

A: No...not at all. It's a fairly rare plane, and pretty valuable, so I just sat it on a shelf. Although it was well used, I'm not conviced that it would be superior to a plane with more contact area between the frog and the blade...such as a Bailey.

Q: How would you compare lateral and depth adjustor to a Bailey?

A: The lateral adjustment uses a small lever under the frog. It engages the blade closer to the cutting egde so it may be a bit more precise, theoretically. But it has a bit of slop in it, so all things considered, it's probably about the same functionally. The depth adjuster is yet another lever under the frog, but this one is at the top of the frog where a Stanley lateral lever would be found. The depth adjuster is a rack and pinion type set-up, and seems to have almost no backlash, but also seems very sensative and responsive to adjustment...maybe too sensative, as a matter of fact. The depth lever swings a total of about 120�, and this moves the blade depth by about 1/4" total. To my eye, it seems like a lot of depth adjustment for the given swing. I think fine tuning the depth could be problematic.

Q: Any idea what the range is on the pitch adjustor?

A: I just checked, and the bed pitch can be varied from about a 40� bed angle up to to about a 50� bed angle.

Q: How does it compare weight wise to a Bailey of similar size (heavier or about the same)?

A: It's a bit heavier due to all the cast iron gizmos (all the levers are cast iron), plus the adjustable toe plate and the assosiated hardware.

Overall, this plane has some really nice innovations and really seems like it was ahead of it's time. It's achilles heel is the contact area between the blade and the frog. If the contact area between the blade and the frog could be increased (dramatically), this plane could be a really nice user. Having the ability to go from low angle and to high angle in seconds is very cool. Add in the adjustable mouth, and this plane has it all.

HTH.

-Bryan

Thanks

Dave Thompson


>Bryan, thanks for taking the time to write up such thorough answers and sharing some details. It's nice to see a little variety beyond the Bailey-esque metal planes.

Dave

Re: Pretty cool unusual plane Palmer and Storkes

paul womack


>Interesting; another "mushroom" knob.

BugBear

Re: Here's my smoother

Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia


>Bryan, Stephen Thomas uses and likes these planes. IIRC he stated the blade is stressed or preloaded when installed and the preload is effective in reducing the tendency to chatter.JR