That ain't no plane, THIS is a plane ;-)

6/30/06, 2:51 AM #1

Dan Donaldson
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That ain't no plane, THIS is a plane ;-)

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>I like wooden planes and they are nice for making moldings, but this one might take a bit of effort to push. ;-)

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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6/30/06, 3:26 AM #2

Kevin F, New Zealand
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Kevin F, New Zealand

>I have seen pictures of planes like that where the rope was pulled by a horse. I gather the horse could even be well enough trained to pull for the right distance, and then back up.

Cheers

Kevin

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6/30/06, 3:30 AM #3

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>Where was this picture taken at?

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6/30/06, 3:33 AM #4

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>I figured those three alcoves were for three helpers to pull the rope. A fourth person holds the tote and pulls it back....

;-)

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6/30/06, 6:18 AM #5

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA
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Yep! That's a plane

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA

>I wanna be the the one that throws his body on the plane and guides it along the board, not the one(s) pulling it.

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6/30/06, 11:47 AM #6

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>In this particular case, it is pulled by a waterwheel.

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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6/30/06, 11:48 AM #7

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>The picture was taken in Kirtland Ohio.

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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6/30/06, 12:00 PM #8

Bill Houghton, finally Spring!! in Sebastopol, CA
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So it's a power tool, right?

Bill Houghton, finally Spring!! in Sebastopol, CA

>Amazing the solutions developed back then.

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6/30/06, 5:34 PM #9

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>I guess that you would not have to worry about that unless you had four legs.

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6/30/06, 7:41 PM #10

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Heres Two Real Ones

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>I have had people tell me befor that these crown molding planes were used with a rope that was pulled by means of a water wheel and have to admit to be rather doubtful of it.If you look at the photo I think you will see things must have gotten kind of exciting when the plane went off the end of the board and was still being pulled.

....I think a second wood worker or aprentice would be a more likely choice though does make for an interesting exibit I supose

Heres a couple of big Crown molders that I have and you can see the hole in the front.One is probably 1700s and the other very early 1800s. Interestingly I have never seen one of these where there were any wear in the hole like you would expect to see if a rope was used in them.I think a dowel or stick was put though it and rope put on it or they were just pulled by the stick ,..Todd

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6/30/06, 11:31 PM #11

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>I believe that the one in the picture that I posted is still in use.

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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7/1/06, 12:52 AM #12

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>I could be wrong but looks like a modern made repo plane to me and not an original, am sure it works fine though I would like to see how they use that powered rope on it.....Todd

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7/1/06, 1:34 AM #13

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>It seems to me that a water wheel would work just fine. You'd use it the same way you lift an anchor with a windlass on a ship. You wrap the tow rope twice around the rotating shaft. The master guides the plane, and the apprentice pulls on the bitter end to tighten the rope around the shaft, and backs up. When you get to the end of the board, or any time you get to going too fast, the apprentice just lets off on the tension a bit and the loops of rope loosen on the shaft and the loops of rope slip, and the plane stops.

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7/1/06, 2:17 AM #14

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>I am pretty sure that this is not an original. It was set up to make these moldings for church buildings and is used instead of more modern methods just to do it the old way. I didn't get to see it work, but it is my understanding that it is still used and they said it was powered by the waterwheel. If I get back there, I will try to get behind the scenes and see what makes it tick. Kirtland is fairly close to Cleveland. Maybe someone that lives close to there can go take a look one of these days.

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I have been woodworking for about 25 years now, and would consider myself an enthusiastic amateur. My claim to fame (or infamy) has always been fixing stuff. I spent time in the Air Force in the 60's then went to work as an electronic technician for civil service. I finally got my EE, and being fed up with the civil service nonsense, took a job with Ford Motor Company until I went with the split to Visteon last year. I got interested in music and started playing in a bluegrass band. I wanted a new guitar, and that kind of led me into woodworking. I bought some books, a few tools, and built a guitar. Luckily, I didn't know any better than to try that as a first ever project. I still play it when I get a chance, so it must not be too bad if it can live for over 20 years. After a stint in Mexico for my job, I moved into a new house and built a small shop. Since then I have been collecting tools and skills, probably more of the former than the latter ;-). Finding this site has done more for my skills and enjoyment than anything else. I have learned a lot and really enjoy the friendships that I have made here. I have been married to LOML (Lori) for 32 years now and have 6 kids. When they are all gone, I want to get a 1 bedroom house (so there is not room for them to move back in) and at least a 6 car heated/air conditioned garage for a shop. (Dream on...)

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7/2/06, 1:46 PM #15

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Waterwheels and rope

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>Looking at the pics I`d say the rope action was roughly the same as you would get from a cathead/winch on either a ship or a drilling rig.

Place a couple of turns of the rope over the drum and when someone pulls on the other end of the rope is tightens around the drum and pulls whatever`s on the other end in the direction of the drum or a diverting snatch block.When you stop applying tension to the free end the rope goes slack on the drum and the action stops.

Saves alot of the muscle work by the helper and can actually be a very effective system with excellent feedback and control.

MB

That ain't no plane, THIS is a plane ;-)

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