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Getting Sylvia started

Jeremy Osner


>As I noted in my last post, I'm starting to get Sylvia interested in the wood shop. A couple of years ago we found a toy (Playskool) workbench for her at a yard sale, it's down in the basement next to my bench and so far, her main use for it has been to hang around there when I am working and play games with sawdust and wood scraps. At another yard sale, I found a little toolbox with miniature tools, which I gave her a few days ago -- she is excited by the tools but I'm not sure how much actual use she will get out of them; pretty dull and flimsy. But when we were building the desk, she was able to start a kerf in a couple of pieces of scrap with her new saw.

So I'm wondering what the next step is. She hasn't really yet got the shoulder strength needed for actually cutting wood, or driving nails. She likes the spokeshave and is able to use it in a basic way. I guess I will just have her hang around the shop as long as she's into it, and once she gets strong enough to nail two pieces of wood together we could start on building a sturdier bench for her. And replace the tools in her toolbox with more substantial ones -- I've got a small crosscut saw that would cut a lot better than the one she has now, and a lightweight ball-pein hammer.

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George Makowski


>Jeremy, I will be interested to see other responses. Here is my experience so far. My two little boys (4 and almost 3) are fascinated by my woodworking. But, the don't have the strength, patience, or motor skills to do what takes most of one's bench time--stock preparation, layout, making and fitting joints.

I have tried two solutions: one is to work on a small project of interest to one of them at one end of the bench while he "works" at the other end of the bench, usually with a block plane, small saw, and a mallet. That can be surprisingly successful. The other success I have had is to decide on a project with the child, in this case making wooden "Thomas" style engines and train cars, then to prepare all the pieces in the shop myself (usually while the boys are asleep). Then you have a model kit ready for assembly at the next woodwork period. The assembly is quick and the result satisfying.

The August 2005 "Woodwork" magazine had an article about sloyd woodworking that helped me with ideas and references to older original sloyd books. The sloyd curriculum usually began with children over 10 years old so you have to adapt for an early childhood application like you and I want.

Projects I have done with the boys in attendance giving occasional help include: toy boats, a bird house, whirlygigs, train engines and cars.

They have also enjoyed having their own tool boxes (scaled down models of Roy Underhill's slope-sided box) wooden squares, and wooden rulers. They also enjoyed special rulers I made for them to help plant potatoes and onions (simple lathes with notches cut to mark the spacing required).

Have fun!

George in AL

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woodburnbob


>A sweet and heartwarming thread, men. Children seem to love nothing better than the attention and praise of a parent...unless it's the delirious joy of playing with each other in a made-up world of whimsical imagination that has no rules.

The topic does make me wonder how much the average Joe knows about developmental milestones. Granted, the average Joe is exceptionally loving, motivated, creative and intelligent.

Encouragement and practice do work to refine a child's motor skills and attitudes, but only after a the young brain in question has developed necessary "connections".

By "connections", I'm speaking of axonal migration, synaptic formation, facilitation and all that other stuff, but mostly I'm thinking of the slow process of axonal myelination. And, yes, I'm aware that some of this is accelerated or retarded by experience. Regardless, none of us have fully organized and fully myelinated brains until about age 18...which goes a long way to explain the things you and I did and didn't do before that age.

I'm sure you guys know all this. I'm commenting mostly for the lurkers who may not.

Anyway, what really gives me a smile is imagining what you might do if your little girl looked up at you, playing with you a little, and said, "Daddy, I'll play with you and your toys for an hour, using your rules of how thing work, if then you'll play with me and my toys for an hour, using my rules of how things work."

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LONG: other crafts might help, too

VTAndy3


>Hi Jeremy,

I'm not a parent yet (about to become one in a month or so!) but I do teach at a school that uses an 85+ year curriculum with extensive handcrafts from kindergarten through grade 12. As a caveat, I'll add that I'm neither a handwork nor sculptural arts teacher (I'm in language arts), but as part of this school I've been able to observe the way that the curriculum helps students develop skills one step at a time. I'm certainly not an authority on this subject but am happy to share some general observations in the hope that they stimulate others to look into this more deeply. I hope that these comments aren't too "out of the blue."

The woodworking curriculum does not begin until grade 5 (approx age 11). Leading up to that, the fine motor skills are developed in other handcrafts, mostly with fiber, as well as in other areas, such as playing recorders (beginning in 1st grade). Students learn to finger-knit and shape beeswax in kindergarten. They felt wool, knit socks with four needles (in grade school), etc. before ever using edge tools to shape wood.

When the work with wood begins, it is usually with carving/shaping projects. At my school, in 5th grade, they shape cutting boards. By 7th grade, they have carved spoons and sometimes bowls. In 8th grade, they shape bows (which really shoot!). In 10th grade, they build small stools (meditation stools) that involve dovetails as well as M&T joinery, and sometimes they build small boxes or small shelf units. In 11th or 12th grade, they do finely carved woodblock prints and a furniture project, like a small side table.

All this is occuring alongside a curriculum that includes work with metal (9th grade: copper bells or small bowls; 11th grade: jewelry out of copper and silver), textiles (weaving, knitting, felting, sewing, spinning, carding, etc.), clay, and stone. There are also correlations between what is done in the arts and crafts with what is being learned in math, history, etc. Again, I don't teach these subjects, but I do observe the overwhelmingly positive effects of this curriculum on the students when I am teaching them my subjects (German, literature, and history in the high school). I would describe it as the education that I wish I had been given!!!

So I think that it might be possible that some work with other materials beyond wood -- in particular, at this early age: wool -- might also be helpful in developing some of the skills and senses that would contribute to a young craftsperson. At this early age, a good project to try might be making felted wood balls and eggs. (in a nutshell: made with carded wool and soapy water). Once the felted balls/eggs are dry, perhaps some embroidery: simple chain stitches on the eggs/balls. I think that both of these activities are fun for kids and adults, and they could very well contribute to a sense of material properties and fine motor skills. Of course, modeling beeswax is always fun, easy to come by, and a really forgiving material for young ones (also therapeutic for stressed-out grown-ups, by the way!). For many sectors of the population, knitting and crocheting might seem like "girls only" activities, but at my school it is not uncommon to see 9th grade boys (outside of class) trying to out-do each other in crocheting and knitting wild ski hats!!!

Well, I think I've already strayed way too far off-topic, and I hope that it's clear that I wrote so much as an expression of my enthusiasm, and any inaccuracies are due to my being a newbie at all this. Please email me off-list if you have any questions about this, and I might be able to help track down books, etc.!

Best regards,

Andy

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Larry Barrett


>My grandaughter, 5 years old, wrote a Post-It note to her daddy the other day, when he was busy, and she was following him around the shop: "You are not follow the rules. The rules are - Play with me!"

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Good for her! She may be President some day.

woodburnbob

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My knowledge of axonal myelination is

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA


>limited, but my sons spent a lot of time in the shop from the time they were old enough - in fact, since the shop is so small, they often pushed me out!

Rasps and Surform planes (microplanes might be better - Surforms are pretty lame tools) are manageable, particularly if you can find some small rasps, and allow for a lot of shaping quickly.

Eggbeater drills, too, for small holes, but watch for a drill with shielded gears to keep little arms from getting, as our older son put it, "waffled."

She's a bit young for a brace, unless you can find a small one, but she'll need one as soon as she can manage it, for holes up to, say 1/2" or larger as she gets stronger.

There are books on woodworking with kids - troll around in your local library's catalog.

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Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge


>I'm interested to hear what projects are recommended. Seems like a simple box may be feasible. Junior, 26 months old, is content with banging around wood scraps, playing with his plastic drill and circular saw and opening and closing the vises on his bench. Too young for any projects at this time. Maybe in a year or two.

Kurt


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Junior & his bench are magnificent. You are too!

woodburnbob

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Jeremy Osner


>Thanks, everybody for the feedback!

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Thanks

Kurt Loup, Baton Rouge

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Thom D


>Agreed, wonderful bench and bench slave.

I just let my kids try what they want. Kids seem to like to plane. My middle girl was horsing around with a drawknife for the first time the other day. She is 7 which is about when kids used to get guns in gentler times.

I think the main impact is that I make "everything", from vehicles to yachts. If i'm into it I pretty much make it. That has a powerful impact on a kid. I'm not even sure it's a good thing. What they take away is up to them. For the time being they like artlike stuff, drawing and painting, which is at least a little upmarket.

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Gary B in Central NY


>if you look at or purchase David Finck's book, the making and mastering of wooden handplanes, he has a picture in the first couple pages of his little girl, pushing a wooden smoother on a benchtop, he said she loves it.

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