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Stuff I need

David Barnett - SW Florida


>I've modified* (and delivered) my last Record 151 spokeshaves and need new 'old stock', which I'm doubtful of finding. Anyone have a source? I may have to try the Anant knock-offs which I'd hoped to avoid for my last couple orders. Anyone tried one? With a Hock iron? Both the Stanley and Kunz castings were really too soft.

Also:

- Source for old litho stones (don't need Bavarian -- Iowa's fine).

- Pre-WWII Irish linen thread, pref. 4 or 7-ply unwaxed, natural,

a couple lbs. would be nice.

- Clean rendered muttonfat, 1/2 to 1 lb. would do (I use it for

my true hobby and passion, punchcutting).

*Regrind sole to 30 degrees, polish, open mouth, substitute Hock iron with rounded-off sides and lower cutting bevel to 12 degrees.

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David some questions...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA


>David, are you looking for 151 blades? If so they show up on the'bay quite often. Also check your local lumber yard they may still carry them, although they might be Stanley ones. I believe Stanley lists them on their web site. If'in you don't mind sticking a Staney blade in a Record spokeshave.

I've never used a hock blade in a spokeshave, I use them in infills and Stanley planes and like them.

Why did / do you modify shaves in this way?

What is punchcutting?

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Re: David some questions...

David Barnett - SW Florida


>No, I'm looking for the entire shave which I'll fit with a Hock A2 blade. I did a few of these (a common mod--not my design) when Record was still making tools (pre-Rubbermaid-Irwin buyout). I was able to find four more since but extant 'new' shaves elude me.

"Why did / do you modify shaves in this way?"

The mods are mostly for skiving Levant/Niger goatskins, so one needs lowered angles and wider mouth openings. This doesn't replace edging with English or French parers (how I was trained) but does a safer job thinning joints than parers, esp. for beginners. All of mine to date have Hock O1 blades, which vastly improved performance and wearability, but I'm told the A2 models are even more resistant to the considerable silica in these skins (which is why they make great strops, btw). The only time I use my lowered #151 these days is to skive shagreen for box covers or veneering (the boney side is filed and sanded).

"What is punchcutting?"

Design a typeface, make a hardened counterpunch on the end of a steel bar ('counters' are the interior white shapes of letters), stamp this into an annealed tool steel blank, file and cut away everything that doesn't look like the printing part of the letter (glyph), harden, then stamp into your matrix, which you then (usually) fill with molten typemetal. However, I make only the majuscules, numerals, and a few punctuation characters, cast them in bronze and affix handles (handle letters are used for both blind and gilt titling). It's fiddly but I find it relaxing.

http://www.myfonts.com/activity/punchcutting/

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fat sheep

bill tindall


>I will be killing a fat lamb soon. If you can turn this fat into what ever you need you are welcome to it. There is no reason I can think of as to why the composition of lamb fat should be different from that of an older critter. The hardness of the fat is determined by the composition of the fatty acids in the triglycerides and I don't think they change with age. But, a more handy source would be a local butcher where lamb is sold. As far as I know rendering is just gently heating the fat to melt it out of its surroundings. We used to do lamb fat for shoe dressing.

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Re: fat sheep

David Barnett - SW Florida


>Very generous of you, Bill. What I particularly desire is the hard fat from around the kidneys and other organs, which is why I've had no luck from local butchers who tell me they get pre-trimmed lamb. I might give it another go, however, before I trouble you for it. I'll gladly render it myself as I melt it anyway it before stuffing with waxes. There's reputed to be a small farm slaughterhouse about sixty miles from here that does occasional small orders -- the phone rings but no-one's ever picked up. I thought the Carribean stores might be a good bet as muttonfat is a popular skin creme (softened and adulterated, though), but they can only offer goat.

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WOW David, You are multi-talented...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA


>A true man of the world so to speak!

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Hijack--Question for David re task lighting

Wiley Horne


>David,

You've written on this before, is why I ask now. Do you have a recommendation on portable task lighting, i.e., lights that can be moved around and aimed at exactly the place you want, without creating a lot of heat.

Thanks in advance, Wiley

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Naaaah... I'm more like the answer to:

David Barnett - SW Florida


>"Whaddya call a 600 lb. insomniac with OCD, ADD and a cable modem?"

Other possibilities might be:

"I don't know, but the flag shows Liberian registry."

"I don't know, but if he sees that sammich, you're gonna lose an arm."

And so on.

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I see your physick too...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond, CA


>How'd you know I was eating a sammie...;^)

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Skip in Falls Church


>Hi David,

I'm curious, why pre WWII linen thread? I did ask my wife if she knew of a source and the only suggestion she had was check with some of the fiber junkies in the area and see if they might know of a source. It would be unlikely that they would actually have any - but they might know of good places to check. OTOH you could always contract a spinner to spin some up for you if it doesn't have to be pre WWII. :)

Skip

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Cold task lighting -- very long, very unedited *LINK*

David Barnett - SW Florida


>New possibilities everyday, Wiley.

While some daylight fluorescent lamps aren't too bad, many still emit a surprising amount of UV -- enough to sunburn the back of your hand from prolonged exposure at close proximity (DAMHIKT). One advantage of the better brands is a correctly balanced color profile. Just centering on a particular color temperature isn't everything, and some bulbs are simply much better than others. Ott-lite, for example, has a superb color balance but costs more. This is particularly worthwhile to me as I need to accurately judge color in many tasks. However, if I'm doing tasks that are not color-critical, I still prefer these bulbs because I can see so much better and for longer without eyestrain.

When you first try an Ott-lite they may seem rather dim. It won't take long to realize that you can see exceptionally well at that illumination level, though. What you initially perceive as lower light intensity is really the absence of glare. In the older style of bulbs more brightness is needed to overcome the poor color balance to acheive sufficient contrast. So consider one the Ott-lites. Maybe try one if you haven't yet.

Another thing, it's often easier (and cheaper) to get the light where you want it in an anglepoise light fixture such as the ten dollar "architect's" clamp-ons available at nearly any discount office store. Ott-lite makes a 20-watt swirl compact with a regular screw-in bulb base. It's a little too heavy and long for some of these fixtures but it'll work well enough and they ARE cheap. Expect to pay just under thirty dollars for the Ott-lite True-color bulb, though. While I've tried many of the other so-called daylight or full-spectrum compact swirls, they don't even come close, but that's my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

Okay. On to cold illumination, specifically. There are two ways to go: 1) halogen-driven fiberoptics, or 2) white LED arrays.

The first method is simply a box with a bright lamp; usually a halogen, usually fan-cooled and passed through an IR-filter on its way to a fiberoptic light guide which pipes it where you want it. These boxes, called illuminators, are pretty much based on movie and slide projectors -- old technology, obviously. Of course, that doesn't mean that manufacturers didn't charge hundreds and sometimes thousands for these gizmos, esp. when the buyers had deep pockets (read government, medical, etc.). Lucky there's a glut of these things on eBay, where I bought three for less than fifty dollars each. Yeah, you'll see some go for way more $$$ and some for around twenty. No surprise there. One of mine, a brand and model I've seen sell very used for over three hundred, cost me about thirty dollars. The seller said the lamp didn't come on but the fan seemed to power up. I took a chance and after adding an MR16 socket for about two dollars I was up and running. That's another thing. Almost all these units use a readily-available EKE, EJE, or DDL projection bulb. Many of these illuminators need nothing more than a fuse or new bulb to get them up and running.

Okay. So you've got a light box. Now you need a light guide. There are all kinds, lengths, and styles but they all do the same thing; get the light from the box to where you need it. I particularly like goosenecks -- the kind that stay where you position them, but I use others, as well. Ringlights are pretty useful because I use low-power stereomicroscopes and also do some of my own product photography. Most useful for woodworkers are the dual goosenecks* and the long flexible pipe that you can fit to a magnivisor or pair of surgical telescopes. These are also great for sticking inside hollow turnings (you can see easily see through the thin walls**), and I've taped them to handtools and my foredom handpieces on occasion. They're excellent for surface examination of relief carvings, esp. lettering, and helpful for finishing and sharpening (esp. saws). The EKE light is intense (I rarely drive it over 80 percent, which also makes the bulb last much longer than the conservatively rated 200 - 500 hours) so you can really see what you're doing, even with 50 percent of power.

I should mention that some of these light guides have a focusable lens at the end (mine don't). If not, they can be easily added if you need a wider or narrower beam. Also, when you buy a used light guide, try to test them to make sure no-one has bent them tighter than the recommended bending radius. If enough fibers have been severed you'll get dead spots in your light pattern. I've not come across this in mine but it can happen.

On to 'white' LEDs. White LEDs are fairly new and are popping up everywhere from architectural lighting to Christmas tree strands. They're getting brighter, more efficient, and cheaper by leaps and bounds. I'm completely enamored with them and make luminaires; sconces, table lamps, soffit and cabinet lights, and so on. The now come in replacement lamp packages for most popular fixtures; floods, interior lamps, etc., and they cost practically nothing to run. The economies are staggering. One lamp I replaced cost nearly thirty dollars a year to run and burned out in about 300 hours. At seven bucks a pop per bulb, it adds up. The replacement, which will last about 100,000 hours before burning out, while not as bright, has a nicer color temperature (you can get these in warm white, daylight, super-daylight, blue (all 'white' LEDs are blue to begin with. Different coatings inside determine the color profile). You could even substitute an MR16 bulb in a fiberoptic illuminator but there's nothing as powerful in LEDs (that's afforable) as the 150-watt halogens... yet. These work quite nicely in canister, pot, and track light fixtures, though. Prices are dropping, though. You can get a miniature 14-LED task lamp that runs off 3-AA batteries for $7.95 from FDJ Online, a jewelry supply distributor. While this'd not be my recommendation, look for cheap and useful LED lamps to start showing up before Christmas '06. LED headlamps are lightweight, very bright, inexpensive and entirely useful, too. Yes, LEDs get hot, but with proper heat-sinking and product design the end user will never even notice.

So my recommendations? It'd be nice to have an Ott-lite AND a fiberoptic outfit, and you could realistically have both for 75 to 150 dollars. The intensity and versatility of the fiberoptics light guides are unbeatable, IMO. Keep your eye on LEDs, though. This is surely the future of illumination.

*Most of these goosenecks attach directly to the illuminator box, but you can find some that have a flexy section that runs from the box to the stays-put section that mounts to anything you want. These (I have both kinds) are much more useful for woodworkers. Also, connector sizes vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, so you may have to shim or make an adaptor, easy enough for us handy sorts.

**You can see through your hand, too, which is creepy, but it won't burn you, which seems weird at first.


A source for white LEDs, lamps, and information

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Pre-WWII because...

David Barnett - SW Florida


>WWII was when makers of true Belfast cord and rarities such as Thos. Ferguson of Banbridge's double-damask ("the Rolls-Royce of linen", it was said) switched to newer, cheaper, quicker to make and apply sizes and starches, never to return to the old formulas and manufacturing processes, thereby changing forever the way the fibers (hard polished), strands, and cords knot and lie. Significantly so, btw, to the vintage fiber cognoscenti (which would include me), or fiber junkies, as you say.

Most has been scavenged by members of the Internationl Guild Of Knot Tyers, model ship riggers, book conservationists (me, again), doll dress makers-restorers, museum collection preservationists, miniaturists of every strain, retyers of vintage salmon flies, and even micro-macrame'-ers (Chinese knotting).

Alas, I despair of finding it anymore so continue to be churlish and downright niggardly with my little hoard when asked for a strand or two.

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Skip in Falls Church


>Hi Dave,

My wife, a spinner, suggests that you might be able to contact someone in a spinning and weaving guild (they're all over the place) to spin some linen thread for you. The real advantage of that is you could get it spun to your specs. You'd be surprised how many good spinners - mostly hand spinners, there are around. My wife suggests searching on the words "spin" and "guild" to find one close to you.

Skip

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David Barnett - SW Florida


>Not as surprised as you might think, Skip, having spun thread before the first Foxfire Magazine was published, but thanks for the suggestions -- you cast your nets and hope. Sometimes you catch a fish.

No, the real problem is not forming thread, as any thread I find gets pretty much deconstructed, twisted and flattened into new and tighter strands. But patiently rhetting a particular flax in that particular mineral broth of N. Irish stream water with jealously-guarded additives that leaves essential particular, well... particles... is not so easy of accomplishment.

Not that I haven't tried, mind you. While normal people were out doing 'normal' things, I spent my salad days rhetting, delignifying and stuffing all manner of fibers from Agave sisilana to Phormium tenax to Urtica dioica and most every palm I could rustle up into cauldrons of steaming bubbling lye before macerating, moulding, couching and pressing. Some of my very earliest woodworking projects were moulds and deckles. All because my dad bought me a microscope when I was in second grade. A friend of mine postulated that had their been a proper revolution and a Peoples' Bureau of Useful Fibers established, why, I might've become its first Beloved Commissar.

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Re: Cold task lighting -- very long, very unedited

Wiley Horne


>Great report, David! Very high calorie as always. Nothing but facts and useful details. Yes, I will start with a couple of Ott-lights in anglepoise type lights and see how that works. Halogen/fiber optic is extremely interesting, but is research-grade stuff for me. I want to click on 'Buy Now' and have something happen in my mailbox as a result.

Much thanks! Wiley

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Re: Pre-WWII because...

Skip in Falls Church


>Hi Dave,

Okay - I'm surprised that you've gone that far! :) My wife actually grew some flax one year and got as far as retting it - but I don't know what happened after that. She didn't ask me to make a hackle so I must presume the process stopped there. Of course given that we only have a postage stamp sized yard and she had to grow a relatively small amount in a container - it certainly wouldn't have produced much any way.

Right now she seems entranced with angora - although she was horrified by what she had to do to make the thread fuzzy. (Soak in hot water then soak in cold water - then beat the crap out of it.) She is satisfied with the results.

In any case - good luck with your hunt!

Skip

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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA


>Where are you growing your Angora goats and/or rabbits (had to look it up - all these years I thought it was from sheep)? Containers on the patio prolly won't work.

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Skip in Falls Church


>Hi Bill,

Up till now she's just bought the fur. But she's got an English Angora rabbit in the works as a house pet/fiber supply. She found someone about an hour away selling one because it doesn't meet the color part of the breed standards. You can actually spin it right off the rabbit.

Goats are out, no room - but she still keeps trying to figure out how to get a small herd of Baby Doll sheep going. :)

Skip

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Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia


>Skip I will caution you about the necessity of only keeping one(1) rabbit...broke that rule once, house wasn't big enough.JR

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I'm picturing a rabbit going orbital...

Bill Houghton, finally Spring!! in Sebastopol, CA

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Skip in Falls Church


>Hi Joe,

I raised them as a teenager. They certainly can multiply better than I can! :)

Skip

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