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status of loose diamond sharpening

bill tindall

>Status of "loose diamond" sharpening

Most correctly, this would be Bill's and Phil's status of loose (where the diamond is not bonded to a substrate) diamond sharpening. The objective of this post is to convey what we do and where opportunities are for improvement with the hope that others will add to this experience. Eventually we will arrive at what is best. It should not be presumed that we have found what is best yet.

We sharpen chisels, lathe tools and plane irons. Our planing is primarily domestic hardwoods, and planing operations would be judged typical of persons combining hand tools and power tools. We aren't avoiding sandpaper for final surface preparation yet we strive for a planed surface that requires only light sanding. Perhaps a few persons planing foreign woods, competing in planing competitions or looking for a final finish off the plane, could have more demanding requirements that we fail to recognize.

Advantages of loose diamonds Diamonds are the hardest material known and they are also very resistant to crushing. As a result a diamond abrasive cuts aggressively for a long time before the particles get dull or fracture to smaller less useful sizes. Diamond penetrates and cuts even the most abrasion resistant steels vastly better than aluminum oxide, the abrasive most commonly used for sharpening. While silicon carbide is hard enough to adequately penetrate very hard steels, it useful life is limited by its ease of crushing to uselessly finer particles.

Diamond sharpening is not messy. It involves small amounts of lubricant as opposed to the water issue with water stones. Other than occasional recharging, using diamonds is maintenance free.

Loose diamond, in the form of paste or powder, is very cheap. Twenty dollars worth of diamond will last the typical woodworker several years. We have flattened the backs of dozens of chisels and plane irons and have yet to use up a 5 gram tube of paste.

We find it relatively easy to hand-hone on a diamond charged cast iron plate as compared to other abrasive formats. The steel glides smoothly across the plate and it is, therefore, easy to know the bevel is oriented properly on the abrasive. Because diamond cuts fast, it typically takes a dozen strokes on a diamond charged plate to accomplish final honing. It is easier to maintain proper tool presentation for 10 strokes than 100 as might be the case on a slower cutting abrasive. We hone with a pull stroke with the tool angled to the plate. Angling the tool helps keep the bevel oriented on the plate because the bevel is effectively widened by this approach. Because angling is preferred, the plate does not have to be as wide as the widest tool one needs to sharpen.

Issues in using diamonds The challenge is how to best take advantage of these desirable diamond properties for typical woodworking sharpening. Factors to be considered and optimized are:

1. what size(s) diamonds to use

2. what substrate to put the diamonds on?

3. how to charge the substrate

4. how to best deal with the contamination issue?

Back flattening Every "new" tool needs more or less grinding to flatten the back, and sometimes a lot more. We have found that even surface ground tools require more than simple polishing. Typically, 30 to 60 micron diamond is required to initially flatten a back in a reasonable amount of time. For some tools with particularly unflat or pitted backs, power grinding prior to diamond grinding is the only practical recourse. We have found a Makita horizontal wet grinder to be ideal for this task, while a very carefully used belt sander with 60 or coarser grit, preferably zirconia(blue), can also be used. Care must be taken to not grind near belt edges or severe lack of flatness can result if the belt edges have a curl.

Initial sharpening: The typical woodworker sharpens when the tool stops cutting effectively. (Others may sharpen based on surface appearance or some other factor. We have no experience in these matters and will not further address them) Compared to final edge refinement (honing) a lot of metal must be removed to create the wire edge that indicates all the old "dead" edge has been removed. We want this step to be accomplished quickly. Either coarse diamond grit (30 or 60), coarse abrasive sheets (100 or even 80 grit zirconia) or coarse bench stones must be used, or power grinding is required. Sharpening that produces a hollow grind at this stage is beneficial for the edge refinement step, see below.

Edge Refinement (honing) Studies by Steve Elliot indicate that it is desirable to finish the sharpening process with a diamond grit at least as small as 1 micron. This size grit will not accomplish the initial sharpening in a short amount of time to produce a burr as discussed above. Therefore sharpening must be at least a two step, two grit, process.

Substrate The substrate must be hard enough so that the diamonds don't uselessly bury into it, but soft enough so that the diamonds embed enough to become immobile during use, yet stick up to cut. One wants the diamonds to be fixed in the substrate and the tool to move across them during sharpening. Of course the substrate must be flat. For centuries cast iron has been the substrate of choice for charging with diamonds. The problem is that no one yet sells appropriate cast iron plates for sharpening. A group (club) can buy cast iron bars and have them flattened (surface ground) at a machine shop. This economy of scale can yield 2 x 12" plates for $25. A trip to the junk yard may also yield suitable cast iron pieces that a machine shop can turn into useable plates.

WD 40 is the lubricant of choice for cast iron and mineral spirits is suitable. Olive oil is the traditional lubricant, but we think it is too viscous.

Acrylic (Plexiglas) is one of the hardest plastics available. It is cheap and flat, and available from MSC and other machine shop supply houses. We have found that coarse diamonds (eg 60 micron) embed better in it than in cast iron. We recommend this substrate for coarse grinding. Fine diamond (eg. 1 micron) does ok on it but cuts slower than on cast iron. Steel sticks to acrylic more than the self-lubricated surface of cast iron, which makes control in free hand sharpening more difficult, but not unreasonable. We are wary of using any oily lubricant on acrylic for fear that it may soften it. We use propylene glycol, but ethylene glycol, antifreeze, glycerin or just water could be used.

For grinding concave curved tools (eg flutes and coves) 60 micron diamond charged onto an aluminum cylinder/rod that is then spun in a drill press or lathe works well. The diamond charged cylinder surface nestles into the flute or concave bevel and grinds away, quickly compared to alternatives. We have not explored charging aluminum plates with diamond for plane iron sharpening.

Soft or porous substrates, such as wood or leather, require a comparatively huge amount of diamond to charge because most of the diamond buries uselessly into the substrate. It is also difficult to float away the grinding gunge from these materials. Hard substrates, such as glass, defeat the purpose of this kind of grinding. If the diamond does not embed in the substrate, it will embed in the steel and wear away the harder material.

When grinding gem stones with diamond charged cast iron, the cast iron lasts essentially forever. In our case we know that some diamond sticks to the tool. These diamonds will abrade the case iron. Apparently this process is slow for we have not seen any significant plate wear in more than 1 year of use, even after flattening dozens of plane irons and chisels made from very abrasion resistant CPM 3V and M4. This usage is more than a life time of wear for most people just sharpening.

Charging the plates It takes a very small amount of paste or powder to charge a plate. A 1/4 inch worm of paste or the tiniest mound of powder is all that is desirable. This diamond can be smeared about the plate with a thin piece of plastic grocery bag stretched over your finger and a little added lubricant. (The bag is to minimized contamination. Overcharging is undesirable (see below). In most cases on cast iron one can hear the diamond cutting. Recharge when the cutting lessens. Relube when the plate gets sticky. Float the grinding gunge off the edge of the plate with added lubricant. From time to time, wipe the plate clean with a paper towel. Don't worry about wiping away diamonds as the ones that are doing the grinding are embedded.

Contamination by carry over We find that 1 micron diamond is sufficient for final honing. But for back flattening or initial sharpening, something coarser must precede this grit. Some diamond particles stick in the scratches of the steel being sharpened. We have explored every imaginable way of removing them and failed. We think the only way to be rid of them is to grind them out. (Overcharging a plate will result in lots of these particles in the steel which is not desirable.) For this reason it is undesirable to sharpen with a succession of diamond grit sizes because the coarser particles will contaminate the substrate used for the finer particles. Of course you can choose to just live with this problem and resurface your plates from time to time to remove contaminating grits.

If one chooses to ignore the carry-over issue and use a succession of diamond sizes to accomplish initial grinding as well as edge refinement, then it will be best to reduce the grit sizes in small steps, that is use several plates charged with a decreasing succession of grit sizes. Phil uses a 30, 15, 3, and 1 micron series.

The assumption is that a worn diamond particle from the first size that carries over to the next smaller size would nearly match the cutting action of this next smaller grit. So, while the carry-over issue is not solved it is minimized. Periodically, the coarsest, or next to the coarsest, plate used in this process will need to be resurfaced to remove its diamonds. This fresh plate will become the plate for the finest grit and the other plates move up one notch in grit size. Personally, I (BT) am not fond of this approach as it gives up some of the advantages of diamond sharpening while Phil and others use this approach.

We have explored two other ways to accommodate carry-over. When flattening backs with a loose coarse grit diamond this coarse grit grinding can be followed by brief grinding on any material where the abrasive is fixed, for example 3M film or a diamond bench stone. Presumably this intermediate abrasion will remove any stuck coarse diamond particles prior to continuing on to honing with finer particles, while not adding any new contaminating particles to the steel. This approach has not been confirmed by microscopic examination after each step, but we intend to do so in the future. Another approach is to only use one size of diamond for final honing( see below for this preferred procedure).

Preferred Procedure For edges, far and away the fastest approach is to grind a hollow bevel to produce the initial sharpening burr with a bench grinder, followed by honing with 1 micron diamond. The diamond cuts so fast that one can use even a 60 grit wheel on the grinder and the diamond will still quickly remove these scratches and polish the edge. In fact, the 1 micron diamond will completely remove the hollow grind in a short amount of time.

A challenge to using this approach is that it takes some practice to be able to grind a straight edge with the bench grinder. A light touch and a slightly crowned, very slow cool cutting wheel is helpful. The 1 micron diamond will not quickly straighten a crooked ground edge. There are two fixes for wavy edges off the bench grinder. After a few strokes with one micron diamond it will be clear where the diamond is cutting, and not. A trip back to the bench grinder can quickly straighten the edge using the 1 micron polish line as a guide. Or, the edge can be straightened on a coarse fixed abrasive, for example a coarse diamond bench stone or 30 micron 3M film abrasive, prior to moving to 1 micron diamond. On most days we can grind a sufficiently straight bevel such that about 10 strokes on the 1 micron plate is all that is necessary to complete edge refinement. Most of this honing is to straighten the bevel as only 5 or less strokes are necessary to remove the grinder scratches.

A slow cutting wheel helps in controlling grinding to make the edge straight. A homemade grinder assembled from an arbor (available LeeValley) , a small motor and a fine (100, or smaller grit wheel) would be cheap and ideal for this step, but we have used a 3600 rpm grinder, a 100 grit wheel and a very light touch with success. BT slowed grinding to gain control by attaching a variable frequency drive to a 3-phase bench grinder. The wheel at around 500 rpm for this operation.

Summary This is where we are at, at this particular point in time. We encourage others to explore better ways to take advantage of sharpening with diamonds and report their results.

Bill Tindall and Phil Smith

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Wow and a question

Bill Houghton, IT IS Spring in Sebastopol, CA

>Thanks for this excellent discussion of diamond sharpening. Although I have a decent collection of oilstones, most obtained cheap at garage sales, I've been leaning toward loose diamond sharpening after some of the recent threads on the subject.

One question: you mention, "A trip to the junk yard may also yield suitable cast iron pieces that a machine shop can turn into useable plates." I see a funked-out table saw or two every time I visit my local dump (not nearly as good as Kevin's - for one thing, they charge). It seems like a cast-iron table saw top should yield four or more pieces of cast iron of suitable dimensions, which might even be flat already. Thoughts?

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A Classic paper. Very well done and thanks.

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

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steve knight

>have you compared the edge to say 8000 grit waterstones in cutting and edge holding?

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Re: tangential comment

paul womack

>Thanks for the GREAT info re diamonds.

In passing you said : "Because angling is preferred, the plate does not have to be as wide as the widest tool one needs to sharpen."

I think modern woodworkers have become convinced that a sharpening surface must be (at least) as wide as the blade being sharpened.

Historically, this has not been possible. Older natural stones (in the 1850-1900 period) were typically 1 - 1 1/2 inches wide, and yet at this period typical large bench planes had blades of 2 1/2" (and in some cases even larger).

In practice this does not present a problem, especially when honing freehand. A simple sideways movement, done simultaneusly with the end-to-end stroke will suffice. Alternatively one can (in effect) sharpen sub-sections of the blade separately. When the blade is wider than the stone, one receieves an interesting benefit; the stone cannot become hollow in width. Given the amount of effort expended on keeping some sharpening media flat, this may be of interest.

Here's a quote from Walter Rose, written in the 30's but referring to the late 1800's:

The Village Carpenter, on OLDTOOLS

BugBear

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Thanks Bill and Phil!

Ed Mulligan, Cape Cod

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A philosophical response- life vs grit Mr. Lee?

bill tindall

>Short answer- one can sharpen with as fine a mesh diamond as one wants to and achieve any degree of edge refinement possible down to the limit of the steel. Steve Elliot has investigated this issue and found diamond better.

99.9999whatever% of the persons sharpening resharpen when the tool is 1000XXX times duller than when it started. Hence, most of one's practical cutting (not talking about planing contests here but real life woodworking) is done with a tool times duller than 80000 grit or 0.00X microns or what ever extreme of fineness people use when they decide to resharpen. Hence, most of us only care about performance in the middle between the first 10 plane strokes and the end of useful life.

So the practical question to ask, and in my mind the most important practical question that has never been answered with sound data, is, does edge life improve by sharpening to finer grit? Steve Elliot is within inches of answering this most important question in sharpening. I encourage all of you to email him today and encourage him to get this question settled.

The answer lies in analyzing his dullness curves. One would compare the slopes of the dullness curves for two starting points of edge refinement. If the rate of getting duller is the same then startiing sharper buys some extra life and even how much can be quantitated. Alternatively, starting sharper might result in getting dull quicker. Or, the starting point may affect rate of dullness in unanticipated ways. Maybe we could all send money for a Steve sabatical so he could complete this work.

Lee Valley has been doing similar work, the results of which remain propreitary. Maybe someone there will eventually publically answer this question, PLEASE.

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Wonderful article. Thank you, Bill.

Hank Knight from SC

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Re: status of loose diamond sharpening *LINK*

woodburnbob

>Nice job on the treatise, Bill. Very informative.

For those guys wanting to use a very cheap, cast-iron lapping plate for sharpening, they need look no further than the sole of an abused Bailey with a broken cheek or some other fatal disfigurement. Can anyone on this forum not yet have perfected flattening a cast-iron sole?

Indeed, I'm not so sure one's finest and flattest bench plane sole would be harmed by doubling as a surface plate for 1 micron diamond abrasive.

For those with more money than ingenuity, see the link after the photo.

Since this method of sharpening is identical to lapping, the photo is a $12 Lindsay publication that is a favorite bedtime read of mine. Be warned: The 100 year old syntax won't be everyone's taste.


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Lapping plate

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Source of Lapping plates

Phil Smith

>Bruce Norton and I are working on a source of lapping plates if there is enough interest. Price will likely be in the $50 range. It will take us a couple of weeks to work out the details and I will post when we have details worked out.

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A possible source for lapping plate

Paul L - Fremont, CA

>Thanks for the great info. I am a long time lurker. I got really interested from your previous posts on the subject. So I sent an inquiry to Harbor Freight about a spare infeed table for their 4" benchtop jointer 46734. Think the size is around 4"x12". Here is the response in quote:

"AC030001 INFEED TABLE 19.80

Here is the part#, description, and price plus 3.95 freight charge. It could take 6-8 weeks to get it due to the part has to be special ordered from the vendor. Please provide credit card information and I can process the order for you."

I have not gotten around to order anything yet, partly because I am not sure of how well it would work. So I don't know if it is a good source.

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Re: tangential comment

Paul M. in San Diego

>Hi Paul,

I loaned my jointer plane out to a buddy of mine, and he sharpened the 2-3/8" blade on a 2" stone. I had the hardest time using this jointer when it was returned. I wanted to level a surface, so I pulled out the jointer and verified the blade was sharp. But I kept getting the edges gouging into the wood regardless of how I used the lateral adjuster.

It turns out that the blade was sharpened with an inverted crown, so that when the blade was centered in the plane only the edges of the blade were doing any cutting.

It was quick to fix. I now make sure to do a lot of roaming around the stone if I sharpen with a stone narrower than the blade.

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Sharpening and Edge Life

Steve Elliott

>Thanks, Bill and Phil, for the great information on diamond sharpening. I haven't made much progress recently on my tests of sharpness and plane tune-up because my new job is taking most of my energy. The job does involve lots of edge tool use, however, so I'm getting practice in the techniques of quickly sharpening a useable edge.

Here's a summary of my current beliefs on the sharpening issues you've raised:

Diamond v. Waterstones: An excellent edge can be honed on all typical plane blades and chisels using either of these. For blades made of more exotic alloys that form significant quantities of carbides, only diamond sharpening will produce a truly sharp edge. I've found this to be true of Holtey's S53, Academy Saws M2, and my own CPM 3V blades. Further information is available here.

Does Sharpening to a Finer Grit Improve Edge Life? I wish I had lots of data on this, but I don't yet. Here's my best guess based on exploring closely related issues. Extremely fine honing does improve edge life during the first part of the wear process when the blade is close to its initial sharpness. This is due to the greater strength of an edge that has very small scratches compared to deeper scratches. The smaller the serrations in the edge, the slower the edge will wear away. After the edge has worn past those initial serrations, there is no effect on edge life due to the finer initial honing. For practical woodworking rather than planing contests, I see no reason to hone past 8000 grit or 1 micron diamond. When I'm really in a hurry to return an edge to use, I sometimes just grind and skip honing altogether.

Using a Smaller Bevel Angle Does Improve Edge Life. The most important sharpening lesson I've learned from my work is this: using a bevel angle just larger than the "too fragile" angle where the edge will chip during use results in significantly longer edge life. Finding the right bevel angle for the blade you're using is the hard part of this, and I've been using my little microscope to watch what happens at different bevel angles for blades made of A2, M2 and CPM 3V. There's more info on this here.

There's a new URL for my web pages, and the old one will stop working if I ever change my ISP. Please update your bookmarks if you want them to work in the future. The best page to bookmark is infillplane.com. From there you can find links to my two current subdomains on Blade Testing and Plane Tuning. I intend to add new pages about shaving formation and blade making, which will be visible on that initial page. All other links are subject to being broken by whatever rewrites I may do on my site.

Again, thanks Bill and Phil for your great work on diamond sharpening. The methods you recommend are almost identical to the ones that have worked best for me, and you've tried a lot more variations than I have.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

Light Bulb moment

Jack Guzman from Maine

>Your post just lit up a bulb in my mind. I have a #8 that is concave from front to back.Great for planing very large wheels.That should work great for my experiments in diamond sharpening. Thanks for the idea.---Jack

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Try the fence

bill tindall

>The jointer fence could be a better size and might be able to be cut into two plates. Sadly, I threw out a jointer fince just months before discovering diamonds. These things are typically Blanchard ground so they most likely would work just fine. For that pricetry it and let us know.

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Re: NOT MINE! *LINK* Pieces of Eight

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>�one's finest and flattest bench plane sole�

My best is machined from ductile iron, not cast iron. Bill has already reported, in another thread, that ductile iron is not nearly as good a choice as cast iron as a substrate for diamond. Surplus infill kits won't work either, because they are steel, because cast iron doesn't work very well for bashing dovetails.

And, also, maybe a bit of d�j� vu regarding table saw wings and pieces of eight: A source of cheap precision cast iron plate

Many thanks for the very useful updated information, Bill.

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Denny


>I was just thinking...it seems like one of the hangups of the diamond sharpening process is finding (or buying) iron plates for sharpening on. Is there any reason not to just use the top of a tablesaw? Lot's of room, the price is right, and some of us already own one. Any reasons not to?

Denny

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reasons not to

bill tindall


>1. It just soundls like a bad idea. (doesn't mean it is of course)

2.Messy. This process generates lots of black gunge. It could be cleaned up after with some mineral spirits.

3.The top may not be machined with small enough scratches to accomodate the finest diamond, say 1 micron. We tried some experiments using a milled surface. The milled surface was fine for coarser grits, say 15 micron, but not 1 micron. With the coarse finish the 1 micron diamond got lost in the scratches. It worked but not as well as a more refined surface.

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Thanks Bill!

Denny

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Rob Lee


>Denny -

A few additional reasons...

1) the diamond could bed in the table surface...essentially making your tabletop into a big piece of sandpaper...

2) grits and arbors are a bad combination...one of the reasons I'm not big on TS sanding plates...

Cheers -

Rob

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Thnaks Rob!

Denny

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