45 profile reference?

Hi Jim, It would be a help...

Scott Burr windy and raining in Ben Lomond,CA

>If you could describe/ post a picture of the molding your describing. There's a lot of ways to do moldings. I'd love to see exactly what your talking about...

Re: Hi Jim, It would be a help...

JimG

>Hi Scott,

Thanks, but that is really the issue. I don't yet know what I want. That's why I was kinda hoping there was a reference someplace of what some of "the possibilities" were with a 45. I don't have any hollows and rounds with it.

thanks

jim

Re: 45 profile reference?

Ed Mulligan, Cape Cod

>Here are links to the 45 and 55 instruction manuals:

http://www.tooltrip.com/tooltrip9/stanley/comb-planes/55man.pdf

http://www.tooltrip.com/tooltrip9/stanley/comb-planes/45man.pdf

It sounds like you are going to make many linear feet of base molding. Unless your profile is very simple, it will be quite a task to make this stuff with a 45 or 55. You might consider wooden molding planes as a viable alternative.

Ed

Re: 45 profile reference?

George Makowski

>Jim, The Record oriented book Planecraft goes through a good discussion of making moldings with the 405/45 that might help you. Generally, however, it might help to note that the stock 45 "doesn't do" curved molding elements except beads by itself. With special, and now very expensive, additional parts it can produce hollow and round profiles and stair nosing.

For complex shapes, as I recall, Planecraft shows the use of plowing, rabbeting, and beading with the 45 combined with other planes or tools to produce the curves. For example for a detail at the top of a baseboard you might run a bead one inch in from the top edge and then chamfer from the upper quirk of the bead to the edge of the board with a bench plane.

Good luck and let us know what you work out.

George in AL

Re: 45 profile reference?

Danford C. Jennings

>Jim,

Well, most any router bit catalogue will give you a fair idea of profiles so would any book on finish carpentry....

I agree with Ed, though, that milling out that much stock by hand using a 45 will be "tedious" at best...Stanley put out a ton of propaganda in regards to their planes, don't ever recall them suggesting that a 45 could replace a moulding plane...

FWIW, I've made custom cutters for my Type 1 45 when in a pinch. Whilst not too diffucult to make, they were used for applied mouldings on furniture; a far cry from a few hundred lineal feet of base board....

Then there are the questions as to the style of your home, when it was built, are you doing a "restoration" or just want something different? For example, in the late 1880s to the early part of the 20th century, it was pretty common for baseboards to have a bead on the top with a profiled (usually a quarter round with fillet) base cap or no base cap at all. FWIW.

Dano

Here you go... 405 profile references

Dave Thompson

>These four pages are from a 1935 Record Catalog, referencing profiles for the 405 (45). There are some H&R profiles in here.

enjoy,

Dave

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Re: 45 profile reference?

Dave Thompson

>I agree with what is said here.... this is alot of work with a 45. A 45 or 55 might be good for making a small quantity.

I'm actually working on my own Queen Ann Victorian house. It's a 1996 with only a few rooms with complex base moldings and molded door frames completed. It was economical for me to buy a large profile shaper, and then for each set of moldings, I actually just purchase the cut knives for the profile I want. It's enough work just preparing the wood and getting it just right for the shaper, that I really would want to do this by hand. Now if it were an 1896 Queen Ann Victorian, and I was just restoring a room, or a wall or two, then I might be tempted to do this by hand.

Though, gumption level and time is a personal thing... and I guess I just revealed how much I have. ;-)

Best of luck,

Dave

Re: Here you go... 405 profile references

JimG

>Dave,

Thanks much!

jim

I could use a copy.

jeff

>Dave

Any idea where to get a full copy for myself.

Jeff

Re: I could use a copy.

Dave Thompson

>BB posted this link last week to tool bazar. There's a 1938 Record Tools catalog, and also a 405 manual. I haven't seen either, but assume the 1938 catalog has the same illustration my 1935 catalog has.

I didn't know about these when I bought mine off of e-bay...

enjoy,

Dave

Re: I could use a copy.

Alice Frampton, UK

>The PDF of the Record #405 manual has a number of profiles shown fwiw. The 1938 catalogue reprint has the same profiles as the '35 I think, but printed a bit smaller.

Cheers, Alf