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LV LA Jack and Microbevel question

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LV LA Jack and Microbevel question

Stephen Kirk in Quakertown, PA

>I just got the LA Jack from Lee Valley, and it is a nice plane. However, it comes with a micro-bevel, and instructions to set the jig to 25, then get a space block, which has to be perfectly flat and parallel, then hold it all on top the stone. That sounds like a serious pain. I have the Veritas Mark 1 jig, so can't I just pop the blade in, set the angle for 25 (the one I got is more like 23 or so), twist the little knob a time or two, and viola, micro bevel with no spacer block.

Or, is the micro bevel really needed at all? I've never used them before. I like sharpening without the jig, but I'm certain I can't hold a microbevel steady without a jig?

How do the other LV LA Jack owners sharpen? I don't plan on planing exotics, and I work mostly with oak, maple, walnut, poplar and pine. I'm not above buying a second blade (the high angle) for the more difficult woods. I do like to keep things simple so I can pop the blade out, rehone, stick it in and get back to cutting.

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Dean J in MN

>Or, is the micro bevel really needed at all? I've never used them before. '

Sounds to me like you answered your own question.

-Dean

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Wiley Horne--Glendora, CA

>Stephen,

On a bevel up plane, the honing angle establishes the attack angle. For example, let's say you stick with 25 degrees for a hone. And the bedding angle is 12 degrees. Then your attack angle is 37 degrees--very low.

What you need to do at the outset is decide what attack angle you want--45, 47.5, 50, and so on. Subtract 12 degrees from the attack angle, and that is the honing angle you will need.

Can't help on the jig--I think Derek Cohen has done quite a bit of work with the bevel up planes, and can help.

Wiley

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Not needed

Hoa Dinh in Alameda

>The micro bevel is not needed. Its sole purpose is to make refreshing the blade (and going back to making shavings) faster because there is less material to remove. But over time, the "micro" bevel becomes larger (it's no longer "micro") and you will have to establish a new primary bevel.

It does not save any material either.

But for a person with lousy sharpening skill like myself, the micro bevel saves a lot of time and frustration.

-- Hoa

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I'm Dave Too

>Using the MKII jig, just turn the knob to the 6 oclock position and hone a microbevel. If you want a wider mb, go to the 3 o'clock position instead. no need for a spacer.

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Let's be sensible....

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

>Hi Stephen

A couple of points in response to your question.

Firstly, as pointed out before, a bevel up plane's cutting angle is determined by the angle of the iron's bevel. As a rule, the lower the cutting angle, the easier it is to cut end grain. A 25 degree bevel (= 37 degree cutting angle when you add the 12 degree bed angle) consititutes a low angle. You may get away using this cutting angle on the face grain of soft- or non-demanding hard woods, but it is very susceptible to causing tearout and a more moderate ("standard") cutting angle is indicated. The traditional standard cutting angle is 45 degrees. On a BU plane this translates to a 33 degree bevel.

A high cutting angle (50 and above) is only needed on difficult grain. If you don't work with such material, then you can ignore such bevel angles.

Secondly, overall a standard angle cuts end grain more successfully than a low angle cuts face grain. So if you were to choose just one cutting angle for all tasks (if you have only one blade), then I would go for a standard angle.

If you are only going to work with uncritical wood, then the cutting angle is not that critical that you need to get stressed about it. A few degress here-or-there is inconsequential. It is only at the extremes of the range, together with critical grain, that attention must be given to the bevel angle (If you spend much of your time working with hard and gnarly woods, as we get in Australia, then you pay special attention to bevel angles).

Thirdly, the idea of honing a microbevel is simply to save time and effort in honing a hard and thick blade, such as the A2 irons that come with the LA Jack. You certainly can continue to use a flat bevel, but you will make more work for yourself.

Lastly, you already have all the tools at your fingertips you need to hone a microbevel. Your Mk I will reset the honing angle by 1 or 2 degrees (i.e. two settings) with a turn of the roller wheel knob. Re-read your instruction manual. So what you do is set your blade up for (say) a 25 degree bevel. If this now hones the whole face, stop. You only want to hone the very edge of the bevel. Honing the whole face is, as I said before, self-defeating. Now add a microbevel of 1 degree (turn the setting to the 3 O'Clock position) and hone a 1 mm wide bevel with a 1200 waterstone. Then add another 1 degree to the microbevel angle (turn the setting to the 6 O'Clock position) and hone a 0.5mm bevel on either a 6000 or 8000 waterstone. You know when each honing is ready when you can feel a fine wire edge. Hone off the final wire edge and you are done.

This process should take minutes only.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Kelly

>I emailed them when I got my BUS and low angle jack to make sure what was at what angle and they said that the bevels angles are combined of the primary and the micro bevel, 23+2=25, 33+5=38 & 45+5=50.

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Re: Let's be sensible....

Stephen Kirk in Quakertown, PA

>You know, I actually that one paragraph a couple of times, and it sure sounded like even using the Mark 1 (or 2) jig still required the spacer block. But, as I look more, it seems that the spacer block is used to easily hone different micro bevels than the jig can.

I did lap the back down earlier this evening. LV ships the blades in good shape, but they need work. The difference was simply amazing. Sure, the plane cut with the factory blade, but a lapped back and just a few passes to get rid of the wire edge and I was leaving pine and oak alike smooth and shiny. I can't wait to actually sharpen it now.

Thanks for the tips.

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Stephen Kirk in Quakertown, PA

>Ah, so that explains the difference I was seeing. With the jig this will be very easy to hone up.

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It makes your job easier

ydb1md

>The microbevel's primary advantage is that is makes sharpening easier and faster. Is it faster to hone a bevel that is 3/8" wide or 1/16" wide?

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