Which plane to cut rabbet?

Re: Which plane to cut rabbet?

Dave Thompson

>Wow, Lucky kid.

While I have an LN60 1/2R and an LN140, my first choice for a 10 year old doing a 3/8"x3/8" rabbet would be a Record 044. 044's in great shape are common on e-bay (and cheaper than the other planes you mention). They're easier to hold and have a fence, and they are smaller than something in #78 genre.

Now, if you start talking about doing fillesters, then perhaps the LN 140 with a side cutter (nicker). Though an LN 140 is certainly not the easiest plane to sharpen because of the skewed blade.

Dave

Re: Which plane to cut rabbet?

Jack Guzman from Maine

>I use a 140 LN and I find it to be a very easy way to cut a rabbet.I added a strip of cherry to the fence.Get the nicker for it,you will find many other uses for this plane.---Jack

Re: Which plane to cut rabbet?

Dean J in MN

>If you are willing to spend a little time rehabing a woodie I'd go that route. A shoulder plane isn't the best choice, yes it will cut a rabbet, but it will take a lifetime. A rabbet plane should hog off wood at a good clip, whereas a shoulder is tuned to take a fine cut.

The rabbet block planes seem really hard to use, I have a 60-1/2R and really find it a poor choice to cut rabbets. I'd personally grab a wooden rabbet plane out of my chest to cut rabbets. Perhaps the 140(?) with the fence is simpler? I don't know, and can't speak to that plane.

The upside, wooden rabbets are pretty cheap.

-Dean

Plow

Adam Cherubini

>I recommend a plow with a tiny cutter.- like 1/8" For a little guy, you want to move very little wood. You also needn't challenge his coordination too much. Rabbets can be tricky to use, even with a fence.

So the idea is he could create the shoulder...let's see- then what. Well I chisel that waste out and that might not work so wel for him. Could he plow in from two faces? That might work.

Okay skip that. Maybe a nice fenced rabbet like a #78 or a moving fillester. Or multiple passes with a plow?

Gee I thought I had a good answer when I started typing. Now I'm convinced I don't.

Adam

Rabbet plane

Warren in Lancaster, PA

>I think the planes you mentioned, 140 , 60 1/2, and shoulder plane are all designed for trimming and not for removing 3/8 inch of material.

My boys both learned to use the Stanley 78 plane, which is designed for this type of work. The handle allows you to put your weight behind the plane, and the fence and depth stop are easy enough for a youngster to adjust and allow you to set up the rabbet before you start. Some like the skew rabbet planes, but the 78 or the Record equivalent are less worrisome to sharpen.

Re: Which plane to cut rabbet?

Jim in Burlington On

>Record 044 or 0778. The 044 is harder to get. The Record 0778 has the 2 posts for the fence and works awesome it's such a huge improvement over the 078. I made a new thicker blade for the 0778 which is a good improvement. Rumor has it LV might be coming out with a new plane soon how soon only Rob Lee know's.

Re: Which plane to cut rabbet?

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>As a learning tool, I'd start with a Stanley #78. They are common and therefore easy to find, inexpensive, and come equipped with both a fence and a depth stop. No subtlety in their operation: All functions are right out in the open, easily seen and easily comprehended.

Re: It's hard to put this in perspective

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>because it's been a few years (decades) since I was 10. I'm thinking that the 78 would probably be a bit large for him to control. If it is, then I would give him a Record 043.

It's small enough for a young person's hand. I would set the 1/4" cutter to a very fine cut and have him practice controlling the plane with firm pressure on the fence. His natural tendency will be to use too much pressure on the main body with a resulting wobble in the cut. If the cutter is well honed & the cut fine, he shouldn't have too much trouble. Once he has the knack of it, I'd increase the cutter depth gradually to a maximum depth he can contol. You can show him how to control the depth of the cut usind the depth control foot.

The 043 is also a great plane for cutting the groove for drawer bottoms so you'll get a lot of use out of it.

Re: Stanley or Record #50

paul womack

>The later Stanley is actually nice (if ugly) since it has a nice warm wooden handle.

The Record has a proper (i.e. screw) depth adjuster which is convenient.

Both cover a wide range of joint making functions, including ploughing, rebating/dadoing and beading.

BugBear

Re: Record 043/044

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I agree, the 043 would be a great plane for a beginner; but think about finding a 044 (easily obtained from various UK antique tool sellers) if you want a more generally useful plane for son and father.

Pam

Re: NICE PHOTO! :-)

paul womack

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Correction...

Rob Lee

>... that'd be two planes... a right AND a left... ;)

Other than that ... mum's the word.

Cheers -

Rob

By doing this and ...

HC Sakman

>....causing stress and anxiety which are causing our blood pressure to go up!

This is not good Rob... not good at all.

Chico...

PS: I had experienced these feelings before, ...like when I heard that LV bought some land here and started the construction of... :-)

Yes - but...

Rob Lee

>... we're REALLY working on the planes.....:)

OK - we're really working on the finding a spot on the Island too....'cept everything is still stooopidly priced, and getting worse. $40 sq foot for land alone... and $20-30 bucks a square foot to lease...

Cheers -

Rob

oooh maaan! Stop whining Rob!

HC Sakman

>I told you before!

This is Vancouver Island, not fantasy Island!

;-)

Chico...

On the serious note...

HC Sakman

>My home's municipal assesment value went up an incredible 34% from last year. This translates into higher taxes, which will be a shocker when I find out how much it is going to be!!! Some oceanfront property taxes are costing as much as an average new car! Real estate is indeed a killer, especially in residential market. BTW, how about an existing warehouse instead of malls or around them? It should be cheaper.

On the up side, one will never lose buying a piece of land in and around Victoria. Real estate has beaten the heck out of many many other investments.

Chico...

#78 or a 778

Todd Stock

>A 140 with fence will do the job, but hogging out even soft pine (you are working in benign stuff, right?) will flex the body more than is good for developing skills. The #78 is cheap, readily available on the 'Bay, and will teach the basics. The 778 is a little tougher to find, but is an improvement on the 78.

Thought you might recognize it :>)!!

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

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Whatcha realy need...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Is a Stanley 289! O.K. Ao maybe thats a little overboard...

I'd look for a Record 050 or a Stanley 50. The Record has a better adjuster.

The 050 is a nice plane can it can do rabbits, dados and beads. It's small enough your son should be able to hold on to it quite well.

OK, so here's what I've learned

Hoa Dinh in Alameda

>None of the planes mentioned in my original post is suitable (mind you, that doesn't mean I won't get them somehow ;-> )

I will try to get one of these, in the order of preference: Record #043, Record #044, Record #778, Stanley #78.

Good Record #043 and #044 seem difficult to find. Stanley #78 is abundant on eBay. I may just get one for now.

Let me know if you happen to have any plane mentioned (and any other that can serve the purpose) and want to get rid of it.

Thanks all for the help.

-- Hoa

Opps - Forgot the Record #050...

Hoa Dinh in Alameda

>but it seems even rarer than the Record #043 - didn't see any on eBay.

-- Hoa

Re: Opps - Forgot the Record #050... *LINK*

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Tony lists both the 050 and 043 as available, but be sure and ask, sometimes he'll sell a tool and not update the site for a bit.

Pam


Tony Murland's

Re: OK, so here's what I've learned

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>Hoa, do a search on ebay under the catagory of 'Planes' using the keyword 'Record'.

Record 044 hard to find???? Not!

Dave Thompson

>There are 7 044's for sale on e-bay at the moment.

There are 2 043's for sale at the moment....

enjoy,

Dave