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Christopher Schwarz It's All YOUR Fault!

Bob Hutchins in central Texas

>While left to my own devices near the magazine rack at wallyworld by Her Ladyship during the recent gift season frenzy, I picked up a copy of the Popular Woodworking Hand Tools special edition. The articles on hand saws showed a dovetail saw with what I refer to as a 'gents' handle (round instead of like a REAL saw handle). It also showed a picture of a LN dovetail saw (with a PROPER handle). But all this got me to wondering about the differences between back saws and dovetail saws.

Now, I figured out that a backsaw is generally used to make crosscuts and a dovetail saw generally makes rip cuts; so the former would have the double bevel and less upright filing and the latter would have the more upright, single bevel filing of a rip saw. And, a backsaw might be expected to make deeper cuts than a dovetail saw, as a general rule; so I'd expect the distance between the teeth and the back of the blade to be greater for a backsaw than a dt saw. I'm guessing that a backsaw would have fewer, coarser (that is to say deeper and more heavily set teeth) and the dt saw would have more, finer teeth. But, what about tpi? How many for each? And set? How much for each?

And how does a tenon saw differ from a dt saw? Is it just bigger?

I know I've read this information someplace before but can't seem to find a reference at the moment.

BobH, anxiously awaiting your expert responses.

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Oh! Mr. Schwarz! What Do You Mean . . .

Bob Hutchins in central Texas

>putting that knee bench on the cover with nary a reference to it's construction or dimensions? (or am I suffering more senioritis?)

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ThomD

>Dovetail or Tenon saw refer to the type of cut, the assumption that a tenon is cut as a rip, but a deep, widish one. Dovetail is usualy a smaller rip, or a rip at an angle for which some makers make teeth that are different than either rip or crosscut. Tenon shoulder is you typical crosscut joinery saw.

Backsaw means it has a re-enforcing strip along the top of the blade for rigidity or weight.

Gent's is a saw with an inline handle, and LN makes dovetail saws like that too.

I hereby abandon this thread to the experts in historical useage.

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ThomD

>OOPs the most important point is I have a lot of saws that have one or another name: The proof is in the pushing and pulling.

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Saws and sawbenches *LINK*

Christopher Schwarz

>Bob,

Construction information for the sawbench shown on the cover is not in that issue. You can find plans for it in the June 2005 issue in an article by John Wilson. The only critical dimension is the height (kneecap height, about 21"). You should be able to figure the rest out for yourself if you don't own that issue.

As to saws, Thom has it right. Here's the lowdown from Knight's "American Mechanical Dictionary" (1876):

Saws without backs:

Rip saw, 28" to 30" in length, ppi: 3.5

Half rip saw, 26" to 28" in length, ppi: 4

Hand saw, 22" to 26" in length, ppi: 5

Panel saw, 20" to 24" in length, ppi: 7

Fine panel saw, 20" to 24" in length, ppi: 8

Saws with backs (backsaws or joinery saws)

Tenon saw, 16" to 20" in length, ppi: 10 (generally filed rip)

Sash saw, 14" to 16" in length, ppi: 11

Carcass saw, 10" to 14" in length, ppi: 12 (generally filed x-cut)

Dovetail saw, 6" to 10" in length, ppi: 14 to 18 (filed rip or x-cut)

There also are a variety of other saws that are outside this classification system. Smaller, straight-handled saws can be called beading saws, jewelers saws or gent's saws (rip or x-cut and many many teeth). Then there's the halfback saw (shown on the cover), flooring saws, compass saws, flush-cutting saws, tabling saws and so forth.

A good all-around guide to hand tools and their uses that I recommend is R.A. Salaman's "Dictionary of Woodworking Tools" (Astragal), which will help sort out the terminology. Plus, there are hundreds of cool pictures.

Hope this helps.

Chris


Dictionary of Woodworking Tools

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shop stool / bench

ydb1md

>It was in a previous issue of Pop Wood. I can hunt around for it if you need the issue information

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article info 

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Thanks Everyone! Gotta LOVE WoodCentral!

Bob Hutchins in central TX

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