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Shopmade sliding dovetail plane

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Shopmade sliding dovetail plane

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Dear friends

A few weeks ago I said I wanted to built a plane to cut sliding dovetails, and I received some valuable advice from the forum. Here is the result.

It started life as a very worn out skew rabbet plane - huge mouth, twisted body, rustly blade.

I added a new sole and reshaped the mouth, closing it up somewhat but leaving it open by 2mm. This enables the plane to take good shavings and not become clogged. The sole has been angled (1:6) to cut into the shoulder of the dovetail. The blade is still skewed, but this is less noticeable now. The leading edge of the skew blade cuts the outside first (as per Steve's instruction).

I have been cutting sliding dovetails with a backsaw, a 1:6 guide I built, a chisel and a router plane to date (in fact, this dovetail plane was really just to clean up the dovetails that had been shaped with a chisel). I have continued to cut the shoulders with a saw (for reasons below).

At this stage the plane is "nickerless". I have the blade of a short 1/4" bevel chisel I can use. Do I fit it bevel down (so that it cuts like a bevel down plane), or bevel down towards the plane (so that the flat back of the blade is flush with the outside of the plane)?

With a nicker in place, can I expect to cut clean shoulders sans marking out?

Regards from Perth

Derek


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Good job

Jim Reed @ Tallahassee

>Nice looking plane. Thanks for the pictures.

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HC Sakman

>Very neat Derek. Good job! How did you deal with the blade?

Chico...

BTW.. Happy Holidays...

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Steve knight

>looks nice. I usualy do a 15 degee angle on the skew but I never really tired others to see what would work best.

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Re: Well done

ThomD

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Well done!

Scott Burr in rainy Ben Lomond,CA

>Heck of a way to rehab an old plane. I would think the nicker would have the flat side of the blade flush with the outside of the body.

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Bob Fawcett

>Derek,

How wide is the blade? Could one substitute an old chisel for the blade?

You've inspired me to think about making one.

Thanks

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

Very sweet

Jim in Burlington On

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Cool, Derek!

Bob Smalser, Seabeck, WA

>Love it.

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Bob

The blade width (including the 15 degree skew) is a smideon under 1 3/8". The maximum effective cut (width of the body) is about 1 1/4".

I think a chisel would work very well if you were to build from scratch, otherwise there is too much metal to remove from the shaft (since these are thin stalks on the existing rabbets).

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Steve

Thanks again for your advice.

The original plane had a skew of 15 degrees. After reshaping the sole to angle at 1:6 (about 10 degrees), the skew is now about 5 degrees.

Any suggestion about the nicker?

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Chico

And Merry Christmas to you too.

I first reshaped the sole so that it angled 1:6 (once I had trued the body up with handplanes, I just used my dovetail marker to plot the lines around it). Then I seated the blade (discovering that the wedge needed to be reshaped), and marked off the profile with a Magic Marker (we call them a "texta" here). I ground to the line on my stationary belt sander, then added a 30 degree bevel.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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would a STRAIGHT rabbet plane work?

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>derek, as i look at the prices for the premade dovetail planes, your homemade dovetail plane is looking better and better but i've noticed that wooden skewewed rabbet planes are no longer in production. straights are much more common and i was just wondering if it would work.

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Interesting discussion here .. *LINK*

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Hi Frank

As a little background, I had planned to cut some dovetails as part of my review of the LV Router plane. I got a little sidetracked here (!!!) thinking about building a router plane to make it easier to clean up the male dovetail section. I mentioned my interest on this forum and did the same on the Aussie (Ubeaut) forum as well.

The following discussion on the Oz forum began a couple of days ago, initiated by Jake (pseudonyn "Aprotripper"), who is very inventive when it come to putting old worn out planes to use. Here he begins by describing how he built a blade for his Stanley #55 to cut the dovetail.

While the discussion is helpful - besides providing nice pictures of Steve Knight's dovetail plane - the short answer is that a straight blade can be used. However, keep in mind that a sliding dovetail is usually cut across the grain, and for this reason a skewed blade works best. It is also the reason why a nicker is important.

Link below (feel free to contribute to that discussion folks).

Regards from Perth

Derek


LINK to "A sliding dovetail study".

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Steve knight

>whats cool with a 50 degree angle and a 15 degree skew and a 10 degree sole the iron is straight across. don't ask me how I lucked out there. but then the nicker is higher on one side and thats a pain.

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Steve knight

>you just need a dado that is the width and depth of the nicker you want to use a screw that has a head that just overhangs the slot will hold the knife. since you only need one nicker it makes it easier.

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Well...

HC Sakman

>All I can say is: This sounds heck of a lot easier than actually doing it. Once again, nice job Derek. Thanks.

Chico...

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Yes

Jim Reed @ Tallahassee

>very interesting. My recent moves delayed my testing of my prototype DT blade for the #46. The big honker for the #55 is interesting... Now I am inspired to get the shop into shape for some testing.

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frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>derek, thanks for that HIGHLY informative link! you've just provided me yet another forum to LURK on in addition to the oak, sawmill creek, woodnet and the woodworker's association.

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i'm joining derek *LINK*

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>well derek, after reading your posts on this forum and the oz forum, i decided to give it a go myself - why should INEXPERIENCE stop me? just bought one of the woodies off of ebay. can't wait to try to MOD it like you did.

BTW guys, here's a link that i stumbled upon if you want to follow this small herd ;)


http://www.furnituremasters.org/contmoreby.cfm?ID=26

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here's the link

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

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let's try this ONE more time...

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>http://www.furnituremasters.org/contmoreby.cfm?ID=26

sorry, couldn't it to work the normal way!

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Did you preview? (fixed it for you)

Dan Donaldson

>Sometimes if you post from the preview page, the links and/or images get lost. Either post directly from the first screen, or hit the back button after the preview.

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Re: Did you preview? (fixed it for you)

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>thanks don! i did try to preview it which i didn't think would present a problem... i encountered the same problem when posting pictures previously.

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