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Shop lights

Philip in Albany

>Specifically what do you use in your shop for lighting? Last night I wired my 100 amp subpanel. I've read quite a bit about lighting plans, etc. Most of my work is with hand tools however I do have all the power tools. I'd never be accused of being a purist by any means although I'd rather cut a dado or rabbet quietly. My shop is in the basement so I don't need low temp ballasts, etc. I think that I'll use 4 ft. shop lights with T-8's but seems to me that I should have some incandescent light above the bench but where? I have a bunch of cans that are rated for insulation that I can use but I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not. I'll use task lighting by the sharpening station, band saw, etc. One more thing, someone told me that since my ceiling height is only about 7.5' that it's OK to screw the shop lights directly to the ceiling (Through joist or furring strip) so I don't constantly knock them. What do you think?

Thanks for your advice,

Philip

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#2

JL

Re: Shop lights - how about track lights ...

JL

>just for the task areas, like over the bench? Use the fluorescents for general shop illumination. Just a thought.

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Re: Shop lights - how about track lights ...

Philip in Albany

>That's a good idea. It would probably give me more flexibility than bugeye cans and they're cheap too. On the downside they might get knocked more often.

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#4

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Tom Macgregor

>T-8's & electronic ballasts generate less heat than the old T-12's and should be safer to screw right to the ceiling. If you use open fixtures with exposed bulbs I would suggest bulb safety guards. They are reusable clear plastic sleeves with end caps that the bulb slides into. If a bulb gets wacked hard enough to break the glass stays contained in the sleeve. McMaster-Carr sells them if you can't get them locally. The initial cost is worth it if it means you (your tools & your project) don't take a "glass shower".

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Don in Northern Arizona

>I like having an adjustable arm incandescent task light available at my bench. It is a clamp-on with a long crane arm attached to the window sill behind the bench. That way I can angle it for raking light or position it to focus where I am working. I can give it a shove with one hand and get it out of the way quickly. If my bench was away from the convenient window sill, I would rig the base so I could stick it in a convenient bench dog hole. I have another adjustable magnifying task light on the bench where I sharpen things.

I also have a free-standing double head halogen light from the yellow Borg. I can use it for work I have to do on a table in the garage or on the floor, and to supplement my current poor lighting setup. Again, I can adjust it and angle it for raking light.

My small shop currently has a lot of incandescent ceiling lighting. The remodel will probably have none. It will have MANY low temperature ceiling fluorescents and several moveable/adjustable task lights that are incandescent or fluorescent. No matter where you permanently mount lighting above your bench, you will find a way to get your head or a tool between the light source and your work.

Don

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#6

Re: fluorescent- not cool white

Barryvabeach

>For the fluorescent lights that are anywhere near your workbench - I would suggest you upgrade over the convential "cool white" bulbs that Home Depot and Lowe's stock as their entry level. There was an article in FW a while back on what the different numbers on the bulb mean - but I have been pretty happy with using bulbs that are marketed for kitchen or bath use - the light is warm and seems "better" to me though that is pretty subjective. I didn't like the lights that they market as whole spectrum as much, though they were better than the standard cool white. If you expect to do much staining, you might want ot look into the color issue of the lighting more thoroughly, because the color of the finished product will vary quite a bit in different types of light.

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Dean in Burlington

>I have 2 8' T12's in the center of the room and then I put a 4' T8 over each workstation along the wall. That's it!!!! The T8's are the bomb!!!!! I would have never purchased the T12's if I knew how good the T8's were. All the light you need. They are also pretty cheap at Walmart.

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Philip in Albany

>Looks like the 8 4' t-12's that I bought 4 years ago will be going in the garage. I saw the difference between them and the T-8's yesterday. No comparison. They're cheap too. I like the idea of upgrading the lighting around the bench and protecting the bulbs with sleeves. Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

Philip

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#9

You can convert to T8

Derek

>Just change the balasts and the bulbs. I've done it. The lamp connectors are the same. I have not looked to see if 8' T8's exist but I assume they do since T8's are required now by building codes - at least for commercial work.

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Dean J in MN

>I have toyed with the idea of building what amounts to a large softbox to mount on the wall (not above) in front of my bench. Try to simulate a North facing window behind your bench. A bit of fill light from above, but no enough to zap all the shadows. Really flat lighting makes life difficult for hand work.

-Dean

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#11

Don't Get 8' T-8's!

Tom MacGregor

>8' T-8's do exist, but they are not as common as 4' and cost far more than twice the price. I would buy two 4' T-8 fixtures rather than convert an 8' T-12. For brighter color look for a high "K" number - K5000 or above. You can get very close to full color without the big price jump that comes with full spectrum bulbs.

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#12

Re: Don't Get 8' T-8's!

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>...and it's difficult to get them home in your car (fixtures or replacement bulbs), much less installed, without breaking them.

I agree, get the highest color temperature you can find. I think up to 5600� K at least are available, but the highest I have found at the Borg are 5000�.

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David Barnett

Shop lights: the long & quirky of it.

David Barnett

>I've developed some personal (and entirely idiosyncratic) preferences for shop and task lighting that profoundly affect the way I work, what kind of work I do, and what I work on (color, texture, scale), and I'll say up front that they don't include the common arrayed 48" multiple tube fluorescent fixtures. Yes, these revolutionized warehouse, manufacturing and office pool lighting, but for woodworking (and many other crafts) in the modest-sized shop, I believe one can do a lot better and nearly as economically.

Without going into human vision evolution, just bear in mind that our adaptations and requirements for resolving at distance in varying light conditions and detail discernment in low brightness with lowered angles of radiation suggest likewise differing strategies for precision and detail demands, such as toolmaking and most primitive tool use.

While washing a workspace with overhead light generally aids orientation, resource location, and so on, and while it may seem a viable surrogate for sunlight, it's not really best for precise tasks, especially in its ubiquitous 'cool-white' spectral range.

What you want (or what I want, anyway) is adequate brightness, elimination of glare, highlighting of details through properly oriented sources (relief, rake, etc.), aided resolution through balanced color temperature and spectral package (spread), easy access and positioning of light sources, and diminished fatigue. Low cost and low energy requirements won't hurt, either.

Why should anyone care about accurate color? Well, an exact shade of red for a particular project may not matter so much, especially if you're happy with the natural colors of wood. The real issue is how well you can actually see, discern the differences that make a difference, and at what light levels, which means less eye fatigue, less fatigue from greater sureness of task performance, and greater safety resulting from both. And although we're all about hand tools here, it never hurts to mention that noisy machine shops with lots of fluorescent lamps should include some incandescent lighting to avoid strobe effects that can make a lathe or grinder deceptively appear stopped.

Most of us want more brightness and to many of us that used to mean cranking up the watts. But while brightness may need upgrading, it's not everything. One can learn to work well in surprisingly low light levels, one or two candlepower, in fact. Consider the Dominy woodworkers and the early liturgical carvers if you don't believe me. Am I recommending it? No, of course not. But it's doable. Besides, in my opinion, anyone who carves or moulds (or is an architect, stained glass artist, etc.) should make every effort to view in situ where the work will live, and to consider or similate the changing light of day and even the changing seasons whenever possible.

I'm a big fan of 'daylight' fluorescent lamps, especially those at 5,800K, which is a nice fit for natural noon sunlight, and is the median those very accurate Ott formulations that get it about as close as one can come. Ott was the scientist who made those amazing technicolor time-lapse botanical films for Disney, discovering what spectra could best force efflorescence and inventing lamps to do it. Decades ago I worked in some spinoff technologies, one of which phytotronically (combined with certain growth hormones) forced blooming in orchidaceae during the earlier days of apical meristem cloning. Who knew these would end up de rigueur for bead weavers, textile artists, gemologists, enamelists, and so on?

While the fluorescent and LED versions of 5,800K color temperature are still somewhat pricey, the 5,000K and 6,200K versions, so-called 'bright daylight' (slightly yellow) and 'super daylight' (a bluer hue close to bright northern winter daylight -- some artists prefer these to 5,800K, btw) respectively, can be had for a fraction of an Ott bulb. One company sells the compact fluorescent bulbs by the case in a variety of sizes and wattages. I've bought a bunch and have been very satisfied overall. No, I don't use them where I absolutely must have 5,800K, but everywhere else, for general/ambient, local and most task lighting (even reading), they're fine (IMO, that is). A physician friend who lives in New England plans to give out cases to patients with SADS (Seasonal Affective Disorder Syndrome - not Sudden Adult Death Syndrome).

I see from Wm.Duf'dOTC's that the big box stores carry daylight tubes, which I did not know. Ott-lite also offers fluorescent tubes, too, but I'll still avoid them, opting for as much directional versatility as I can get.

And about reading (and going back to brightness), one thing you'll notice with a balanced daylight bulb is incorrectly perceived absence of brightness. At first it seems nearly dim. We're so used to brightness with associated glare that it's initially difficult to differentiate glarefree brightness from 'learned' brightness. You can really get hooked when you read or do detail work without the glare and without the yellow cast, especially when you must endure yellowed pages.

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At this point, let me just throw out a few ideas without trying to connect the dots, before I forget them altogether (it happens):

Color balance trumps brightness (when brightness is minimally sufficient).

Getting the light where you need it is obviously important. It's worth buying or building positionable fixtures. They needn't be expensive. You can mount lamps on boards or beams. I mount lots of inexpensive anglepoise lamps (gooseneck or articulated, less than 10USD) in my bench's dogholes. Clip-ons are great, too.

Angular spread is important, and you can get halogens and white LEDs that state the degrees spread.

You can remove the shades and use very small halogen spots. These won't blind you from the sides or rear as they're coated with opaque reflective material.

Dimmable lights are useful, but as a rule, dimming will lower color temperature (exceptions are iris-type lamps).

Horizontal surface inspection exploits raking light (very low angle, usually shaded, non-fluorescent, and generally aimed toward you), great for relief carving, scraping, sanding, French polishing, waxing, etc. Change the angle as needed. If you have a cold halogen fiber-illuminator (you can make one easily or buy surplus on eBay), you can usually find a light guide with a slit-lamp head on eBay for a fraction of the original price. These usually come from the electronics/machine-vision industry and provide an extremely stark effect (overkill, but thought I'd mention it).

For vertical inpection, alternate top and bottom raking light. Look at things from the sides.

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Enough of that.

So what's wrong with sunlight? Nothing! Not if you can get it when, where and how you want it. I exploit it every chance I get. But I'd say at least 65 percent of the time I can't fill all three requirements, so about 90 percent of my work uses some or all artificial lighting.

Optical aids are a whole 'nother ball game. As a rule, when using magnification, you'll need added brightness. Magnivisors with simple lenses (rated in diopter) work well in most available light. Bench magnifiers (there are some really nice ones) provide their own lighting. The best have dual daylight fluorescent tubes, individually controlled for exploiting shadows. I often wear surgical telescopes and use stereo zoom-boom microscopes (low power, very wide, deep field of view) because I have them, which is why I already had gooseneck fiber-optic halogen spots (these are 'cold' lights, as the heat is blown away by fans and absorbed by IR filters at the light source). It was always nice having these toys for woodworking, sharpening and toolmaking (they're essential for engraving, gem work, and so on), and now that I've developed some serious visual challenges this last year, I appreciate them even more.

Is all this expensive stuff necessary? Hell no. Is it fun? Hell yes. You haven't lived until you sharpen your fine toothed saws in a rotating engraver's ball under a Olympus stereo boom microscope with dual gooseneck halogen spots. I know. Ridiculous.

More to the point, is it worth buying or building task lighting for precision crafts? I think so. I've watched precision work performed at Smith & Wesson, optics manufacturers, NASA and defense contractors, and you can bet they do, too. There's obviously sufficient return on quality. But again, you do it on the cheap, and eBay's good for the surplus stuff.

Also, Adam Cherubini mentioned in a previous post that he intends to write about suitable shop lighting (and one hopes, how earlier craftsman managed without trained electrons). I'm eager to read whatever he has to say.

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Re: Don't Get 8' T-8's!

Philip Berman, Montville NJ

>Home Depot sells a fixture that's 8' long but uses 4 4' bulbs - solves the issue of getting an 8-footer home, increase in cost, etc., but still gives you 8' of light.

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Puzzled by what you saw....

bill tindall

>"I saw the difference between them and the T-8's yesterday.

Other than lower wattage and therefore lower ligh putput, there is no inherent difference between a T8 and a T12 lamp. What is this differnece you speak of?

The only reason to prefer a T8 for new installation is that T12's will be phased out over time , thanks to EPA regs.

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#16

Re: Don't Get 8' T-8's!

David Hay @ Denver

>In addition, an 8' fixture would be difficult to mount without help...especially if you have to get on a ladder to install them. I briefly considered putting in 8' fixtures in my shop until LOML pointed out that, under no circumstances would she get up on that ladder to help me install them ;) So I just installed twice as many 4' fixtures.

David

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#17

CRI

Mike Kaiser - In Snowy IL

>Generally speaking the lamps (they're often in cardboard sleeves) labeled a "bath" or "kitchen" have a higher "color rendering index" (CRI). The higher the CRI the better the lamp reproduces color. For finishing, especially if you're trying to obtain a particular color or match an existing the higher CRI makes more sense.

Generally speaking too, the higher the CRI the higher the price.

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#18

Re: Puzzled by what you saw....

philip Albany NY

>Hi Bill,

The T-8s that I saw, although lower wattage, seemed much brighter than the T-12's I have but maybe, based on all the commentary, I can look into different bulbs for the T-12 fixtures. I wonder if changing the ballasts is cost effective since the fixtures only cost about 7 or 8 bucks each? Still researching...

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