poor man's panel plane

Re: poor man's panel plane

Bjenk Ellefsen

>The mujingfang look very nice and are so cheap it's hard to resist.

Frank, your post brings to mind a question I have. If one is to make raised panels with wooden planes, what are the tools ? From what I know at the moment, the raised panels were achieved with a fielding plane first and then a raising panel plane ? Im still unsure about that one.

not as difficult as you might think!

frank shic

>bjenk, if you're going to use a wooden plane to do the job, then you'll probably get the best results by clamping another piece of wood on top of your work to guide the plane (at an angle) so that the bevels come out even. you could eyeball it as some of these other guys do, but i'm just not good enough to do that yet especially when trying to get the corner bevels to all line up correctly.

as far as fielding the panels, that's going to be my next experiment with the stanley 45 plow followed up with the staley 78. it looks even nicer, doesn't it?

i've got an anant #10 rabbet plane that i'm thinking about hooking up to a veritas jointer fence so that i can achieve even larger bevels on raised panels. that might be an option for you if you're not afraid of damaging your wooden plane (depending on how much you spent on it, i suppose!). you could screw another piece on either side of the plane so that you'd have a fence to register against the panel's edge.

good luck!

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>I don't know about fielding planes and panel raising planes but I built these panels with a marking gauge to define the material to be removed ,a low angle jack plane to remove the field and a rabbet plane to rabbet the back.I don't know any better,but it works for me.---Jack

Re: poor man's panel plane

frank shic

>looks nice, jack!

addendum

frank shic

>bjenk, i was just on the japanwoodworker.com site and i noticed that they have planes with skewed blades (kiwa kana) which would probably work better since they reduce the cutting friction like the traditional but hard-to-obtain western panel raising planes.

hmm... at just a little over $60 a pop... it's all for research and educational purposes, right?

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Greg B�tit, Crown Point NY

>Hey Frank,

I was visiting my daughter last November in Kenya. The cabinetmaker who was making a linen cupboard for her had one plane- a 78! He used it for everything, including raising panels!

Greg

-who is going to load up his luggage with some good user tools for that guy the next time he visits his daughter.

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Brent Smith

>Frank....pardon my ignorance, but, where did you get the mujingfang hollows and rounds from. Are these the ones sold at Japan Woodworker?

Brent

fascinating!

frank shic

>greg, i suppose you could use it for almost everything - although it would probably take a little longer to flatten a panel with a 78!

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frank shic

>you betcha! it'll take you about five minutes to figure out how to adjust the iron and the wedge but i have a BAD FEELING that the 5/16 pair is NOT going to be my LAST PURCHASE!!!

Re: fascinating!

Greg B�tit, Crown Point NY

>I watched him clean up a panel with his Stanley # 78. After 10-15 swipes, all saw marks were gone, and he didn't need to sand. This was on some really clear rosewood-type stuff, which he works almost in the green. He must know it's going to shrink and cup, and how much. I'm anxious to look at the finished product (now holding towels and sheets in my daughter's house) a year or so later, and go back and quiz him on what he's thinking while building, etc., if he'll let me.

Greg

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>Does the bevel on the panel go all the way out to the edge of the panel? It looks like there is a small flat area at the edge. It would be interesting to hear a few more details on the panel; why did you rabbet the back?

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>Moses,

The bevel goes all the way to the edge. The rabbet is for fit and positioning of the panel.The panel is almost 3/4"thick.The rabbet makes the inner panel surface almost flush with the rails.Also the rabbet allows for the amount of bevel I wanted to show on the outside.I hope this is clear.---Jack

crystal clear!

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>moses, jack doesn't want to spend an excessive amount of time thinning out the edges of the panel to fit so he rabbets the edge which is a little bit quicker although he could just as easily beveled the other side as well to make the panel sit flush with the frame. another alternative is to let the panel sit proud of the frame and just run the bevel on the one side.

jack, what did you wind up building anyways? i'm guessing it's either a side table or a bookcase.

now you've really PIQUED my interest!

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>greg, i MUST see the finished work now! can you take a pic?

further construction questions...

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>how did the guy rip and crosscut the panel? a bowsaw, i suppose? and how did he plow the grooves?

hace you ever looked at the vietnamese woodworking section of antiquetools.com? it's inspiring how craftsmen in other countries can do without all the fancy power equipment that we're accustomed to!

Re: crystal clear!

Jack Guzman from Maine

>That is a small cabinet for my daughter to put her TV on.When finished it will have raised panel doors of the same wood(local cherry)covering the two shelves for dvd and vhs storage.The wood was cut locally and my BIL cut it into planks with a woodmizer bandsaw mill.I traded a homemade air compressor for the wood.---Jack

Re: router freedom.........

George in Lowell, Mich.

>Frank

I recently was going to make alot (40 feet worth) of tongue and groove joint for a toy box that I am making. I got out my 45 plane and it worked well, but I had tear out when I hit none straight grain. A guy at work said "Why aren't you using a router?". So I tryed it, but it was even more out of control. I went back to the 45 set the blade real shallow, took my time, and mission accomplished!!!

The bonus was no noise and no blood!

Work safe,

George

thanks george!

frank shic

>it's good to hear that even an extensive run can be done using just a simple, unplugged stanley 45!

Re: now you've really PIQUED my interest!

Greg B�tit, Crown Point NY

>My daughter doesn't currently have internet access, although they do have a computer and a digital camera. We're toying with the idea of going back in the Spring.

They had the guy make a stand for their water distiller, a book case, and the linen cabinet. If you look close there are some tear outs, which are filled and coated with many coats of varnish. The wood is like rose wood.

If/when I go back I'd like to hang around and watch the guy for a whole day, or a couple hours for a few days, taking pictures. I think it would make an interesting story.

Greg

Re: further construction questions...

Greg B�tit, Crown Point NY

>I'm sorry, I can't answer those questions, I don't remember what he had for a saw. I only know about the 78 because he showed me the panels that were going into my daughter's cabinet, and I asked how he did it. I didn't get to hang around much, and he was much too self concious to continue working while we were around. I'm hoping to be able to spend some time next trip, and get some work-in-progress shots.

Greg

Hijack/Homemade air compressor?

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native in FL. Exile :~(

>Jack,

Tell us more about this. I seen plans for one years ago that used a lawnmower engine as the "pump", which was turned my a lekticky motor. some sort of adapter was screwed into the spark plug hold that ran a line to a tank. Was this one you had similiar?

Nice job on those panels. Pretty wide bevels.

Todd O.

Re: Hijack/Homemade air compressor?

Jack Guzman from Maine

>Hi Todd,The pump was from a "semi"or so I was told.I'm not sure what it's particular function was in the semi.I got the compressor from an auto body guy.He had built it and used a 40 gal air tank for storage. I added two more 40 gal tanks when I got it.Used it for over ten years and never shut it down.I got used to hearing the pump kick in in the middle of the night.I hated to part with it but had to make space for my woodworking shop.I got rid of the torches and welder at the same time.All I ever use compressed air for now is filling my wifes car tires with air.---Jack