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surfacing rough stock - it's NOT rocket science!

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surfacing rough stock - it's NOT rocket science!

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surfacing rough stock - it's NOT rocket science!

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>friends, i am ECSTATIC to report that the other day after discovering that i had accidentally used the drawer FRONTS as drawer SIDES and buying some clear pine so that i could actually plane it without dinging up my hand planes and watching good 'ol cosman's dvd yet ANOTHER time, i was able to flatten one face so that there was no appreciable rock with the scrub plane and then surface the opposite face with the scrub/jointer combo.

happy thanksgiving all!

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John Hoffman

>Congrats, you have gotten to a place I can't get to. I have Rough to Ready and have tried the scrub plane but as Chris Schwarz has argued I don't think the scrub plane was made for this type work. I work with the jack set to take a thick shaving to remove thickness. If I only want to smooth it out and flatten the jointer does it. No need for the scrub.

Happy thanksgiving.

JH

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Bjenk Ellefsen

>Personnaly, I do almost everything with my no 6 or no 7 depending on the length I have to work with. The scrub is useful when you want a lot of wood off fast. I sold my scrub a month after I bought it.

The first surface you flatten is a great achievement. I still struggle with it when I bring out those planes. I should sell that jointer and start doing it all the time. Its the only to get better at it.

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#4

but it's so much FUN!

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>john, it probably is overkill especially on s4s lumber, but the crazy amount of HOGGING keeps me reaching for it over and over again!

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frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>bjenk (is that swedish BTW?), i felt like putting the piece in a glass case to remind me how many boards i rendered useless in my previous attempts in flattening... hope i can get the amount of time it takes down in the future!

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Re: but it's so much FUN!

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native in FL. Exile :~(

>Frank, I've got to agree with you. I so much enjoy my scrubbers that sometimes I just take a scrap and and scrub away! for the initial stages of flattening, NOTHING beats a scrub plane. I wouldn't even attempt it with anything else.

I have a LN scrub, and two vintage scrubs, each one one has a differnt width sole, which I find to be handy depending on what size board I am working on. Smaller boards get the smaller scrub. sometimes I use the smallest one to "clean up" a bit after the LN. Perhaps not necessary, but I like using it, so I do it.

Todd O.

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John Hoffman

>A little confused, which planes are you talking about that works for you? It sounds like the 6 or 7 not the scrub???

I can't get anywhere with the scrub on flattening because it leave such an uneven surface that I am working at it with the 5 then 7 to get is smooth and flat. It seems easier for me (working with rough sawn) to skip using the scrub.

Thanks

JH

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Arw01

>I like watching the chips fly out of my knight scrub plane. I'll even use it once in a while on the edge of a board to make sure there is no grit in the rough edge to nick my other plane blades.

Alan

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Re: but it's so much FUN!

frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>todd, the first day that i received my stanley scrub plane, i created a MASSIVE pile of chips which although they did nothing to FLATTEN the panel sure did thin it out pretty quickly! it's such a RUSH watching the little guy take off chips that would make a router or tablesaw envious!

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frank shic (walnut ck, ca)

>hadn't thought of using it on edge! how do you keep the balance?

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Arw01

>With a finer scrub shaving set, there is an oxymoron, it's not too critical. I've hand jointed enough boards now to have a pretty good feel for it. That I use the David Charlesworth technique of steering the plane to the high side.

When you get closer, using a finger along the face as a fence works just lovely.

Alan

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Bjenk Ellefsen

>Hey John,

The 6 and 7 are working best for me. I tend not to use the scrub. I'm far from being good at this but the scrub doesnt work well for me.

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Bjenk Ellefsen

>Hey Frank!

It's Norwegian actually :)

I have to admit that Adam made me think a lot about redesigning my shop for tool slaving. The idea that I dont have to achieve 4 square on the boards makes me want to give it a go again. I hate my power jointer because when I'm using it my mind is assaulted with a slideshow of cut-off fingers dancing to a mexican mariachi!

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Re: Fingers, and Power Jointers

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Lots of us here use these monsters, and this tip wouldn't make sense to someone who is not familiar with hand tools, so it goes here, and here it goes:

Always use a pusher when feeding wood through a power jointer. The best design looks like an old wooden tryplane, with a knob on the front and a tote on the back. Power tool guys who don't understand "tryplane" might call it a "boat", because the nose and tail are often rounded to facilitate pushing the cutter guard out of the way and closing it again, quietly. It has no blade, etc., of course, instead, the pushing is done by a half inch square wooden stop block set into a dado about a half inch wide and about a quarter inch deep, across the bottom of the sole about a half inch from the back end. Use CA, or liquid hide glue or something that will release when persuaded, after the stop block pays for the mistake. Don't use screws, because you don't want the jointer blades to pay for the mistake, either.

Don't make the body from beech or purpleheart -- use something lightweight, like white cedar, redwood or catalpa. My pusher always rests right behind the infeed side of the jointer fence, where I'm not tempted to forget to use it.

The only time I don't use the pusher is when I'm edge jointing a board wider than the height of the fence. If you are edge jointing narrow, thin stock, then make another, very narrow pusher with a wooden fence tacked to the side. If you want to get fancy, you could make it adjustable, like a plow plane fence. I don't power joint stock that would require one of these, because I find that's always easier to do with a hand plane.

Hand tool content: There's another use for the boat. If you like to surface thin, short stock with your #7 or #8 clamped blade-up in your front vise, you can use it to push the stock over these jointers too. It might not save fingers, but it'll save fingerprints.

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Re: Fingers, and Power Jointers

Bjenk Ellefsen

>Thanks for the tip William. It's always appreciated. But I do use push blocks. Even though I do, I still don't feel as safe as when I'm holding my jointer plane. I guess I'm a wuss! lol!

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#16

Better nervous caution than stupid bravado

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Best to be aware at all times that those whirling blades are there, and dangerous.

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#17

i'm a wuss, too!

frank shic

>bjenk, i always breathe a sigh of relief once the last piece of wood has been fed through the jointer - even with the safety guard i'm extremely TERRIFIED of the potential for bodily maiming!

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Re: i'm a wuss, too!

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>For some totally irrational reason, my jointer doesn't scare me. Now, my lathe and my grinder and my radial arm saw and my routah and my table saw, in that order, they scare me, sometimes more than others. I'm a little strange: snakes and alligators don't scare me either, but spiders do.

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