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More Hot Hide Glue tips...

John Aniano, somewhere in NJ...

>Hello All,

I was speaking the other day with my friend, the well-known NYC violinmaker James McKean, about hot hide glue. He related an observance made by an equally well-known violinmaker and restorer, William Monical. In essence it is this: hot hide glue develops it's greatest strength after it is heated thoroughly, allowed to cool thoroughly and reheated a second time. If hide glue is used to glue a wood joint while liquid from it's first heating cycle, it will not be satisfactory and will fail. Bill Monical somehow learned this "fact", told James and helped solve a number of strength issues James had had with his instruments very early on in his instrument making career.

James said that he normally makes a new batch of hot hide glue when he wants the glue joint to be as invisible as possible. Otherwise, he feels that allowing the glue to cool and stay unused for up to about a week will not make all that much difference in the strength.

At my asking, James also said that some makers did put garlic into hot hide glue and felt that of the modern NY makers doing this, they probably got the idea from Mr. Simone Sacconi, the great maker and restorer who ran the shop at the now-closed Wurlitzers in NYC.

Hope this was of interest...

John

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Todd Stock

>Mario Proulx (pro luthier and good guy) makes a batch, allows it to cool and gel, cuts it into slices, then bags and freezes it. Lasts for a long, long time if most of the air is out of the bag. Warms a slice when necessary.

Others make glue cubes using ice cube trays...these fit in one of those small 1 oz medicine cups, allowing frozen-to-ready for gluing after 10-15 seconds in the microwave.

As to garlic, probably retards mold, etc., but what an advertising campaign..."Our guitars are vampire-proof...really."

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glh

>I use some of those small (2 oz or so) flip-top plastic squeeze containers to freeze mine. The squeeze containers work great in applying the glue.

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#4

Good idea!

Clay C in Miami

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Re: Containers

Tom Colligan, Peoria

>Where do you obtain these containers? Thx.,

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danielfisherin@cs.com

>Someone (I think it was Mike Dunbar) suggests using plastic ketchup squeeze bottles and keeping the container in the fridge in between uses. The glue is supposed to keep for a long time.

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Todd Stock

>Whatever glue container is used, get in the habit of returning it to the glue pot whenever it leaves your hand. HHG cools fast - particularly in small containers - and small spout openings will clog up with gelling glue. Keeping everything nice and warm (including the work) helps.

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Dick Schafer

>I just leave mine in the glue pot and it freezes. No heat in the shop.

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Re: Containers *LINK*

Greg B�tit, Crown Point NY

>I found some on eBay.


2 Oz. Plastic Squeeze Bottle

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Todd Stock

>Clever...got to remember that next time someone complains that the shop is cold.

It's not a bug - it's a feature.

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