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Antique Plane and Brace

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Antique Plane and Brace

Jared Davis in Austin, TX

>I picked these up at an antique store yesterday. I didn't pay much for them but I'm wondering if I restore them back to working condition if it will devalue them (if they have any value at all). I would like to use them but I don't know if there's any reason I shouldn't.

I can't find any markings on the plane but does anyone recognize it? The metal parts are in good shape but you can see some damage to the wooden sole in the picture. Should I sand it flat and use the piece that's on it or should I replace it. If I should replace it, is maple the best wood for this or can cherry be used?

The chuck of the brace is rusted and currently inoperable. Can penetrating oil be used to free this up or is there something better?

Thanks in advance for you time and information.


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Todd Hughes

>The plane looks like a union, though hard to tell for certain, look on the very front end and you should see some markings.

I don't think you have to worry about hurting eithers vaule....Todd

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Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native in FL. Exile :~(

>Jarad,

I"zapped" many a stuck brace chuck and got them functional again. Also got the ratching collar to turn again as well.

Todd O.

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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>The brace is a pretty common looking tool - you can fix it up to your heart's content, and, if it doesn't work out, you should be able to pick up another without a lot of difficulty.

Fixing up: Todd O's reference to "zapping" is to electrolysis. If you migrate over to the articles area, you can find an article on the subject. If electrolysis is a little intimidating, go to your local hardware store and buy a pint of penetrating oil (most of the penetrating oils come in pint and quart bottles for putting in an oil can or trigger oiler - WAY cheaper than spray bottles by the way, and arguably better for the environment). Organize yourself a soup can deep enough for the chuck (or, if you want to get the ratchet working again too, for both), and some way to hold it from falling over, then fill the can with penetrating oil. Penetrating oil is a fairly volatile substance, so (a) wrap some aluminum foil over it to slow down the evaporation, and (b) don't set it up next to your gas water heater in the garage. In fact, out in your garden shed is probably best, though I've never had a fire from my little soak tanks.

As to the plane, if the sole is flat, it'll work as it is, and I'd do some experimenting with it as is before spending time making a new wood body.

Go to the library and get books on hand tools, and hang around here. There's a lot to learn on this subject. A lot of it, though, can't be learned by reading, so spend most of your time actually working on pieces of wood.

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The plane...

James Watriss

>Can't tell for sure if it's a stanley, a union, a sargent... or something else. It's an old transitional plane, though, and they're fairly common, so there's not much value to worry about. There are small groups of tool collectors who regularly burn them in the hopes that someday there will be few enough of them left that the ones they have will have value.

As for replacing the block, I think if you're going for a user-quality plane, there are other, much better options to consider. Like not replacing the block. I messed around with trannies for a while, (the planes, the planes!) and found a few things for myself:

-The wood is beech, usually. It's what Clark and Williams use for their own wooden planes, and it's the traditional wood of many planemakers, because the cellular structure of the wood ensures that it will move evenly and regularly, so the body will generally be pretty stable. If you want to use the plane, you will want it to be stable-bodied. Maple isn't the most stable thing in the world. Charry's handsome, and a little more stable, but still... I think if you compare freshly milled new cherry or maple to a block of beech that's been aged for 100 years, you'll find the beech to be more worthwhile. And it's already drilled, and chopped. Give it a light sanding, wax it up with something nice, and tell people that it's just showing character from having been used. Or get another, better tranny from ebay (don't spend too much) and fix it up. If aesthetics are really such a concern, you're better off lavishing your attentions on a plane in better condition.

-I personally chopped a huge throat out of mine, and patched it back up with a thin piece of rosewood. The general idea was to give the shavings a place to collect, because otherwise, the shavings would curl very tightly and jam in the throat, and I'd have to take everything apart to clear the clog. The other advantage of patching it up like this is that you can close the throat back up and get a better working plane out of the deal.

There's nothing quite like laying a tranny down and finding out that they won't let anything into their throat. Because then you know, regardless of how tightly you grab the knob, they're not going to perform for you until you clean them out from the other side.

-In the end, you can get them to work pretty decently, but like a lot of other things, you can fettle to your heart's content, and for quite some time, if you're not careful. There's a lot you can do to these things. Open the throat, patch. Fix up the blade, or replace it. Fix up the chip-breaker, or replace it. The bed isn't always perfectly flat, which can affect the stability of the lateral adjustment. It's fixable, but it's another thing to do. Fix handles, or make new ones... These planes are very seductive to new woodworkers because of the amount of wood involved that can be replaced. Then it's a custom tool, and you can day dream about telling people "Oh, yes, it's mine. I rebuilt it, and made all the new pieces from scratch. Yes, it is rather attractive, don't you think?" etc, etc. They do work, but it takes some effort. Sometimes a lot of effort.

I managed to get mine to the point where I was able to flatten my small work bench with it, but it still needs work. Since then I've discovered the joys of proper tuning of old Metal Stanleys. and much more recently, of high-end, low-angle, big-money, no-hassle jack planes, and it's really cast a shadow over a lot of the other planes on my shelves. :-/

-Way back when (last spring) I got started on an article that I was going to submit in here on how I modified some of mine. I started with pictures of a transitional plane with the block sawn in half lengthwise so you can see the throat in cross-section, to understand what I was talking about, and I have two different planes (a jack and a jointer) to perform these modifications on. I just haven't finished the actual modifications yet. :P To assist in the work, I tried to order a set of sequential, matched Round Tuits, specifically for those planes. But Lee Valley was back-ordered, and won't get them in 'til some time in November. Lie Nielsen's are still in development, though I'm told that someone in here got their grubby mitts one of the limited pre-production sets. Apparently they are, in fact, some of the best Round Tuits being made at the current time, and production models will be out in time for Easter. They think.

One of these days, those round tuits will be MINE!!!

Feel free to email with more questions on these planes if you want.

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Round Tuits

Jerry Nicholson

>Don't wait for Lie-Nielsen and Veritas -- there are lots of round tuits available on E-Bay right now! (No kidding)

Jerry

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Hush, you fool!!!

James Watriss

>I don't want anyone (at least noone I know) to know that they're so easy to get.

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Jared Davis

>Thanks for the input everyone. I have an idea on the direction I want to take with these now.

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here is one for you 

Dan Donaldson

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You fools! You're both fired!

James Watriss

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