Do you keep the 607???

Because of my deep concern for you,

Nemo Tools

>Send it to me. Just trying to help you out. I'm that kind of guy.

Re: Do you keep the 607???

Frank D. in Montreal

>Well Dan,

Let's see,

Are you on the verge of going bankrupt? Or are you having trouble feeding yourself and the family? If you answered no to one of these questions, then KEEP it.

You can use the no. 7 when you work outside of your shop, or you could also put a camber on the blade and use it as a long fore plane.

If two years go by and you don't use it once, then you can sell it and buy another plane.

I didn't realize you had a 607 when you asked about the no. 8. Sorry for talking you into buying one...

Frank (feeling a little guilty)

More bad news!

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

>Dan

Actually, the news is even worse than you realise.

Not only can the LV BU Jointer replace the #607, but it will also replace the #8 (and #608) as well owing to the mouth being sited further back.

Tough one!

Regards from Perth

Derek

Re: Do you keep the 607???

Joel

>My 607 is one of my favorite planes. I have a Hock A2 blade in mine and it's just about as nice a plane for jointing as I could want.

If you actually mill wood by hand for real I can't imagine a better plane except a C+W jointer (which I don't have and I want)

what you want in a jointer:

Lightness - moving a long plane back and forth server hundred times is tiring. I find a 608 too heavy and my norris 22 1/2" jointer - while a wonderful plane - is just too heavy for long sessions of planing.

High center of gravity - a wooden jointer is best but the 607 is a decent compromise. The reason BTW (Larry Williams taught me this) is that with a light plane and a high center of gravity a human will automatically hold it square - just like a glass of water.

With a wooden plane I find I automaticlly can plane anything square without paying much attention to it. With the 607 the feedback isn't as good but it's better than any of the other planes I have used. Low center of gravity blurs the entire feel of square completely. The bedrocks do have a lower center of gravity and more weight than a wooden plane so you have to pay attention to what you are doing but it's better than any heavier plane and certain easier to use and keep square than an infill. Since I learned the technique I haven't ever needed to use a jointer fence - an attachment that was previously near and dear to my heart. (what happened was I didn't have clearance for the fence with what I was planing and was talking to Larry and he hooked me up - night and day - it's amazing what happens when you learn how to do something).

Flat - I don't think the criteria for flatness is as important as it is for a shorter plane but certainly you need a plane in good shape. If your 607 has a decent sole I wouldn't worry about it.

Cost - the marginal cost of keeping the plane is zero.

So I would suggest keeping the plane.

Frank

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>I sent a friend to MOntreal armed with a picture of your LN #8 and details on how to get that plane out of your shop and into mine.

You welcomed that friend into your home and started to feed him good old Canadian beer and who knows what else.

When he got back to Vancouver I asked hime where the plane was? He stopped for a moment and said "Frank, fed me beer, I forgot"

Now I have to buy my own ;)

I will probably keep the 607 for edge jointing

Dan Clermont

Re: Do you keep the 607???

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Joel,

I will kep the 607. I love wooden planes and my most used plane is a #5 Transitional jack I have set upfor semi-scrub mode. It flies through the air and the blade never dulls. DOn;t think I have sharpened that blade over the last two or three projects.

I think the C&W is around $385 which seems steep to me for a woodie and on your website the writeup talks about how wooden planes used to get abused and the mouths opened up and damaged from the hard work of flatenning where as with todays use of machines to square stock you don;t have to abuse planes.

I am gonna abuse this baby and drive it through all kinds of highly figured woods and want the momentum on a heavy jointer to push through.

I am a big guy at 6' 3" and 220 pounds who uses my hand tools as a form of exercise and to help me prevent the shoulder seperations I used to get before my surgery. Call it physio as warped as that must seem.

Dan Clermont

Re: Do you keep the 607???

Joel

>I don't have a C+W jointer either. I want one (and will get one - probably for my next big project. ) but as my post said I'm pretty darn happy with my 607. It's about almost as good a plane as you could want, I just wish the center of gravity were higher.

the 607 does work fine for figured woods (but prboably not as well as a C+W) - although my infills are more fogiving at it - and a lot heavier. but I'm a 90lb weakling and find dressing wood heavy work as it is. I want lighter not heavier. Also being able to plane square trivially without thinking about it has really gotten a lot of my frustration with milling stock out - espceically since long-term I will get a planer and stop spending most of my time just getting wood to thickness- but I have no plans to get a powersaw so I will be edge planing (and need to plane square) for (hopefully) years to come.

Anyway - I'll bet in a year or so you will be really glad you kept the 607.

Re: Do you keep the 607???

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>I think your right Joel. In a year I will be happy I kept it and with the market for used good planes I can probably sell my jointer for almost what I paid for it if I so choose.

Thanks for the comments and input.

Dan clermont

Yes, keep it...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>I'd set it up as a big smoother.

I was thinking

Jim in Burlington On

>Along the same lines with my 608 and Knight toolworks jointer maybe buy the new jointer and part with them. Decided to buy the jointer and keep everything else as well it might be worth more in 10 years:)

Don't be rash, but don't cling either

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I wouldn't see the 607 now, but if, after a long enough time (only you know), you conclude that it's a redundant tool, sure.

I held onto my Record 151 spokeshave for quite a while after I'd concluded that the lighter, sportier 51 (and my favorite 52) shave worked better for me; but then I finally recognized that it was time to let it go, so I did. You'll know when you reach that point; if you're asking, "should I?" it's not time yet.

Bill, offering some woo-woo new-age advice on the subject

Re: More bad news!

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Derek,

I don't think I will be buying the LV BU Jointer after my experience with the LV 4 1/2 ;)

Take Care,

Dan Clermont

Re: More bad news!

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>Why, did Rob stiff you when you were dissatisfied?

Everyone, including LN as shown in the recent thread about a bronze one that was a problem, can make things that are less than perfect. If Rob stiffed you when you wanted to return it, then I'd expect some hard feelings.

But I suspect Rob would have or did let you return it, and probably even paid for the shipping if you weren't satisfied.

I've had a few LV products I wasn't happy with, but usually when I actually used the tools correctly they worked at least as well as advertised. (Even then Rob offered to let me return them no questions asked - simply because I didn't much like them - not becuase they didn't do what they were supposed to do...)

BTW, I *DID* just buy the BU Jointer, and I'm eagerly awaiting it's arrival. (Rob, couldn't you slip me someone elses plane and kick them onto the waiting list! :) )

Cheers,

Greg

Re: More bad news!

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>Hi Greg,

Rob has never stiffed me. Matter of fact I took back my Cabinet Scraper two years after buying it cause it wouldn't turn a proper burr. The guy at the LV store agreed, offered a new blade and I passed. Not once did anybody wince at the return. They were all more then happy to make me happy and that was the goal.

I go to LV all the time and spend most of my woodworking dollars there. But I am not a fan of their edge tools, don't like the look of the planes,think the knob and totes are awful and from my experieance with the 4 1/2 and my wifes experience she won't have one in my shop.

Also not a big fan of people recieving free tools and posting feedback via the forums thing. Turns me off buying those tools.

I wanted a bandsaw and my wife made me hold out and spend the money on a Laguna, which I did. I have never looked back and regreted it. I don't turn to a page in a magazine and point to the Laguna or Mini Max and talk about how I want that one someday and can't wait to sell my Jet or what have you (not slagging Jet here, just picked them out of the air)

Same goes for planes, I like the LN's and never regret buying them.

Cheers,

Dan Clermont

Re: More bad news!

Douglas

>Dan,

I don't beleive that LV is alone in releasing pre-production tools to a limited audience. A few other companies that produce edge tools provide pre-production models and production models to high-profile users at no cost.

Of course when sending to these high-profile users the feedback is appreciated, in addition to endorsements or the fact that newbies will copy these users. If they happen to write an article for a magazine like FWW instead of a forum that is nice too.

Douglas

PS - If your wife is like mine any tool purchase is questioned anyways! :)