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LV Honing Guide Mk II: cambering scrub plane blade

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LV Honing Guide Mk II: cambering scrub plane blade

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

>The new LV Honing Guide Mk II excels at honing square bevels on blades. One of the areas in which a modification or accessory is being evaluated that of honing a camber on a blade. Below I am offering my strategy for honing the camber on scrub plane blades using this guide. I have no idea if LV will take this seriously – you are more likely to laugh when you first read my description – but it is a serious recommendation. I have used it successfully on a number of occasions, and will demonstrate this below.

I might add that there might be potential here for adding other forms of camber, such as to jack or smoother blades, but this is not its intended use at present since I am still evaluating it in that regard.

For scrub blade use, the only modification to the Honing Guide is the addition of a washer under the Blade Carrier Locking Knob (see Picture #1). This is to raise the height of the knob.

Set the Registration Jig for a 30 degree bevel angle (see Picture #2), lock it to the Guide, and then insert the blade upside down (i.e. as if you were going to hone the back of the blade – see Picture #3).

I hone on waterstones, and depicted here is my King 8000. The scrub blade has already been ground to 30 degrees (in this case on my belt sander jig, but alternately you could either use the existing factory grind if using the LV Scrub plane, or you could first hone a camber on a blade on lower grit waterstones).

Onto the waterstone I place a steel card scraper, and then onto this I place the Honing Guide upside-down so that it is riding on the Blade Carrier Locking Knob. This scraper blade raises the angle enough to hone a 1 degree micro bevel (see Picture #5).

I pull the blade towards myself since pushing it is likely to cause it to dig in. It requires only a few strokes to create a full micro-bevelled edge (see Picture #6 – you can see the glint of the micro-bevel).

Stroke off the wire edge (or use David Charlesworth’s Ruler Trick to do so), and you are ready to go.

Regards from Perth

Derek


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Very clever Derek!

Paul in NJ

>I thought the recent FWW article on honing jigs was deficient in that it made no mention of how the jigs handled cambered blades. I own the Eclipse style jig (small center wheel) and it is easy to put a slight camber on my smoother blades. It appears it might be difficult to hone a camber with some of the others, the Krell for instance. It would be interesting on how the others perform in this function.

Paul Dzioba

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Leave it to an Aussie... *LINK*

Rob Lee

>.... to use a tool upside down. :)

Next time - we'll put the label on the other side of the box....

Cheers -

Rob

(BTW - a good exhibition of lateral thinking too....!)


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Re: Leave it to an Aussie...

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

>.... to use a tool upside down. :) "

Rob,

All LV tools arrive that way in Oz. That's why I have such a hard time figuring out what everyone gets first time!

Love the map! Except Australia should be in the centre.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Thinking upside down of the box...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Derek, that’s an interesting concept. I like Paul have used the Eclipse style jig for doing these.

Do you think it could handle short cambered blades like this Clifton spokeshave (top one in the picture)?


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Re: Thinking upside down of the box...

Derek Cohen (in Perth Australia)

>Hi Scott

Not the lower spokeshave - I have the Stanley #55 version of yours.

But I think that it could be done with the other (upper) one. You probably would need the blade extension jig that is used with the Mk I, however. Just thinking out aloud.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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MK.II Power sharpener is great for scrub irons

Tim of Livermore

>While I find the 'polished' edge on a smoother iron needs work on waterstones coming off of the Mk.II power sharpener....aka LVPSS...I find it does quite well for scrub irons and cambered jack irons. Also has been good for turning gouges.

Before the LVPSS, a hard felt wheel charged with honing compound did quite well too. I could also do it on waterstones but that was tedious at best.

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Here you go, Derek. *LINK*

andrew F in Australia

>Good work, BTW.

(I hone the little blighters and other blades freehand, but then again, I don't do it that often) - we've just bought a couple of Lee-Valley honing jigs for school use, but.

Cheers,

Andrew


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Minor correction

andrew F in Australia

>I hone about 20-50 chisels or plane irons per week, but only touch a gouge about every second month, and a scrub plane iron every year.

Cheersm

Andrew

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Now I understand

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I always wondered how you Ozzies and Kiwis found your way around when everything on the map was printed upside down, but now I get it - you just peel the letters off the maps and put them on the other way.

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William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Derek, If you keep coming up with these great ideas for jigging and fixturing, future woodworkers will never develop the skills to hone by hand :^)

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>You know William, the only reason I came up with this was that I was told that it could not be done! I have always prefered to do such tasks freehand (in fact I have prefered to freehand all blades in the past - until I began using bevel up planes). So the gauntlet was thrown down, and I responded to the challenge.

Keep doing it freehand. While it may have broad appeal, I have published this tip particularly for those potential scrub-users who have baulked at the idea simply because honing the blade seemed too difficult. So perhaps it is a way of enticing more into the handtool fraternity!! :)

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Dan Donaldson

>Looks like another good article to me. ;-)

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