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Hand saw adventures

Skip in Falls Church

>I finally finished sharpening both of my practice saws - a Disston K-5 26" 8 point crosscut and a little Jackson 10" 12 point backsaw. The Jackson was really easy - it only took a little jointing and the teeth were regular and well formed and had been sharpened rip. I resharpened it rip and it cut straight with no problems. I think I gave it a little too much set - but I'm just going to leave it that way. It should be fine for soft woods. I scraped the old finish off the handle and gave it a couple of coats of BLO - and it looks fine to me. Now, if I can just find a saw nut for it although the bolt alone seems to be holding the handle tight for now.

The K-5 had seen a really tough life, the blade was kinked and bent while the handle was cracked and scorched on one side. However, the blade was slightly breasted (the right way) and the teeth were regular and well formed - although some of them didn't have much in the way of set in them after I banged on the blade to straighten it out. I did get most of the kink and bend out of it and letting it stand in the saw vice seemed to help a bit more. It still has a slight bend in it though. This was the first crosscut saw I've sharpened - surprisingly, at least to me, it made several straight cuts in some 3/4" maple with no stoning.

Of course I had to make a handle for the K-5. I picked another piece of 4/4 hard ambrosia maple - a piece that I probably couldn't have used for anything else as it had a crack about three quarters of the way through at one of the streaks. I also redesigned the handle as the original was designed for a 4 finger grip. Because of the way the handle attached to the saw it was easiest to maintain the bottom part of the grip and move the top of the hole down. I maintained the same angle on the new handle as the old one had. Again, except for the holes for the saw nuts and bolts where I used a drill press, I used all hand tools.

When I completed the handle I had to take care of the crack I had "designed in". I cut the handle so that the crack went through the grip - but not through the body of the handle. To fix the crack I used a self-centering doweling jig to predrill and countersink a hole for a 2 1/2" deck screw, forced some wood glue into the crack and inserted the screw. I then filled the hole with a 3/8" dowel. I didn't get the hole for the medallion bolt quite big enough and created a small crack on that side of the handle when I started tightening it down. To fix the crack I tried drilling a hole perpendicular to the crack and gluing a toothpick into it. That didn't work. So I took a super glue pen and wet the area of the crack with super glue then clamped it for a while. That actually worked to repair the crack although after I gave the handle 2 coats of BLO it left a clear shiny spot. After a couple of coats of a wipe on varnish the spot wasn't obvious except as a light spot. I also filled in all the beetle holes by gluing in pieces of toothpicks. One of the nice things about ambrosia maple is that with all the variations in the wood, the repairs aren't too obvious.

As an encore I resharpened a 6 point tree trimming saw - the kind on an extendable pole. I haven't tried it yet - but it looks fine. I put a little more set in the blade while I was at it as I usually use it on live limbs.

I feel comfortable enough now to resharpen my good rip saws - although I think I may want to practice a bit more before I jump into my good crosscut saws.

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Old and new handles medallion side 

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L. Hanson

>Nicely done, Skip! I love the look of the wood in the K5 handle.

Not to worry, you'll be after those crosscut saws with reckless abandon before long. They really aren't as hard to sharpen as its often made out to be!

Again - Nice job!!

Leif

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Dave (Arlington, VA)

>Hi Skip -

Great job on the handles!

I agree with Lief on the crosscuts. Keep it up. I had an all day saw sharpening seminar with Tom Law 3 or 4 weeks ago, and we each did a couple of our own saws during the day. I had a much more difficult time with a 12 TPI rip than I did with an 8 TPI crosscut.

I think its a combination of poor eyesight, and the need to develop a relatively light touch on those smaller teeth. Too much umph and you can get some pretty sorry looking teeth. DAMHIKT.

Now I just need to get some shop time to tackle those other saws in need of sharpening...while I still have Tom instruction rattling around in my head. Keep those pics and stories coming!

Regards -

Dave

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JL

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JL

>Good job! This unfortunately reminds me I have a toolbox full of saws to attend to. And how many cats do you have?

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Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Hey Dave. Was Tim Moore at the saw sharpening class you took with Tom Law? He came and borrowed a vise and saw set to use there. He was very impressed with the finess and muscle memory Tom has and demonstrated. Bet it was a neat class. If there are any unpublished tips of the trade be sure to share them:-)JR

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Skip in Falls Church

>Hmmm, reckless abandon? I guess that's what you could call what I did to that poor helpless 12 point saw that I "sharpened" right after I made that post. The best thing I can say is that it cuts - although I don't know why. It appears that the teeth on one side are mostly a bit higher than the teeth on the other side. I think I got in a bit of a hurry and was just a tad over confident. Guess I'll joint it down and try again. It had too much set in it any way. (he says rationalizing)

Skip

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Dave (Arlington, VA)

>Hi Skip -

I had that happen on my 12 TPI at Tom Law's seminar. He said it some times happens when your not careful to duplicate your sharpening motion as you flip the saw over and do to work on the other set.

Keep it up. Don't get discouraged... but you might want to try it out on another 4-8 TPI before going back to your 12.

I wish you the best on this.

Regards -

Dave

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Dave (Arlington, VA)

>Hi Joe -

Yep. Tim was there. I don't think there were any special "tips" that aren't already in print or on Tom's video/CD, but I do think the "hands on" experience under a watchful eye is pretty helpful. I also think that now I may line the sides of my saw vice with a thin strip of leather or two. Mine seemed to vibrate more than anyone elses.

Tom was pretty amazing. He could tell stories, handle a complicated conversation, etc. all the while sharpening a saw. For me 100% concentration - and my teeth still looked pretty ragged (especially on the 12 TPI).

It was loads of fun...but also kinda funny - with 10 guys in a relatively enclosed space with all that screeching that goes with sharpening a saw. We weren't exactly making music. But I have a couple of saws that cut pretty nice!

Regards -

Dave

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Skip in Falls Church

>Thank both you and Lief for the compliments on the handle.

Sharpening rip, even at 12 points, seemed pretty easy to me. I guess I just got in too much of a hurry when I did the 12 point crosscut. Well, that's what practice is all about I guess. Although it must have been really fun spending all day with Tom Law.

To compensate for my lack of close vision I use a magnifying glass with a circular flourescent light. It puts even light on the entire surface.

Hope you get that shop time soon!!!!!

Skip

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Skip in Falls Church

>Let's see, 3 cats, a ferret and something that roughly approximates a dog. (My wife and I are still not quite sure how you get a Corgi, Golden Retriever cross - but by the evidence it seems to be possible.) I save the cat food bags and use them for all kinds of things - like, in this case, hiding the pile of stuff on my bench. Although they also work well as disposable pads for doing finishing on - or dropping greasy or rusty things on instead of directly on the bench top.

Skip

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Skip in Falls Church

>I think you're right, I really wasn't paying as much attention after I flipped the saw around. But I'll go right back to the same saw just paying a bit more attention. However, I won't get to it till later in the week (next week) I'm "up all night" till Tuesday morning. I'm far too stubborn to ever get discouraged. :)

Skip

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