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Milled a Bedrock flat (PICS)

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Milled a Bedrock flat (PICS)

WoodburnBob

>This will interest a few of you. But I'd didn't think of shooting the pics and writing it up until I was nearly done. Thus, the absence of a true "before" picture of the sole.

So, here's the body from an Ebay #604 I picked up a year or two ago. It turned out to have a beater tote and knob, a transitional lever cap and hideous pitting. This was why it was cheap. I looked it over, stripped it down and set it on the shelf.


Pitting, you ask? How bad was the pitting?


Why mess around with such rotted relics? To justify having machines, of course. So in the next image you see I'm done milling the sole down 0.030 to remove all the pitting and flatten the warp and twist in the sole. Had I fiddled with a more precise set-up that figure might have been 0.015. But cast iron is cheap...which this plane, from Texas I believe, ably proves.

A couple of things are relevant to those of you who think about doing such things. 1) Simply clapping one side in a cheapo drill-press vise held the plane rigid. It didn't shift, tilt or bend. The cutter is sharp and run slow. Same for the table feed. I didn't exceed 0.005 depth of cut with any pass. Certainly I could have beefed it through and ruined everything, but I restrained myself this time. 2) Importantly, it didn't seem to me that the plane side was in danger of snapping off at any point: probably meaning I got away with it this time.

In the past, I've spent many a night thinking about how best to perfectly clap and set-up a plane for milling. Real Rube Goldberg stuff. I always fail before I begin and put it off to another time. So this morning I decide to let impulse rule.




Yes, it's very flat. I have to shake my head and laugh at all the planes I'd tried to flatten with sweat and sandpaper and finger nails and lapping compound and tears and scrapers and files and curses.

Anyway, good luck fellas (and gals). Keep pumping up them arm muscles.

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Thanks for the pictures

Jim Reed @ Tallahassee

>That's a good looking mill. It does put the sandpaper job to shame. When are you going to make some shavings with the plane?

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Say Bob,

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native in FL. Exile :~(

>I think that you should of done this operation with the frog, blade/chipbreaker/levercap assembly installed to ensure that that the proper tensions where kept. When the frog and blade and levercap are in tightened up as in use they place a bit of tension on the sole and now I fear that your sole may actually go concave on you.

Todd O.

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Re: Say Bob,

Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Agree. Let us know if the sole changes from flat when you reassemble it.

Had you considered jigging the plane by clamping to the frog? This may be a safer way to attach the plane to the table. If you are worried about the side strenght you may be correct. I don't want to tell you how many times I have felt uncertain about a procedure and it turned out to be justified:-)JR

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Short followup (Pic)

WoodburnBob

>Jim, I guess you wanted to learn if the thing would work after what I'd done to it. I hadn't actually intended to get my hands dirty with the rusted tight screws, etc., etc., but you prodded me into it. Here's what it'll do on some white oak at this point. My rule of thumb is if I can shove a plane through white oak without nearly instant elbow bursitis, it works pretty good okay. Wish I had a nice piece of pine for demonstrations. I think I could push this boy through pine to show a wide shaving.


Incidentally, a dropped and broke a favorite #4 a year or so ago, so swapped out the wood and lever cap for this throw-away bedrock. Isn't that a gorgeous tote.


Todd and Joe point out a caution that crops up in forums and appears in some books and magazine articles. I cinched down the frog, loaded the cutter and clapped down the cap as I always do. My Starrett straight edge didn't show twist or bed. I lapped a few circles on a cast iron surface plate to knock down milling burrs and the pattern and feel don't support the presence of bend or twist. I could go back and really reef on the screws...but won't.

It may be that I got away without a bending or twisting because of the relatively (to a Bailey) beefy and large faced frog boss on the Bedrock.

I remember back in those times when I'd spend 3 or 4 afternoons hand scraping on one or another Bailey sole that I could demonstrate different bluing patterns from a granite surface plate that implied bend depending on whether I scaped with the frog in and tight or not. It's hard to know if that's relevant to hand planes since the change in pattern could arise from only slight, sub-0.001" changes.

Oh, well, maybe I won't get away with being so cavalier next time. Just thought a handful of people might find this interesting.

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Nice fluff...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Looks like a nice user there. A little more tweaking and it should be great. Nice job Bob.

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It is Interesting

Todd O. Cronkhite Maine Native in FL. Exile :~(

>Bob,

don't think that I was in some way slamming you for not having trhe frog in place while you did this. I was merely fearful that you may have inadvertantly messed it up. I have heard and read many time of this happening, but as you pointed out, I don't think that they where BedRocks. Perhaps that is a major key as to why you didn't get the twist. Very interesting indeed, and I always appreciate the efforts that somebody takes to put an old neglected soldier back into the battle.

Just wanted to point this out to bring up the awareness that it could actually ruined not having the frog in place. Apparently this is not the case with BedRocks, but I certainly would not try it on non-BedRocks without the frog in place.

Excellent job on the restoration, and congrats on the nice shavings.

Todd O.

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A happy plane

Jim Reed @ Tallahassee

>The once sad plane looks happy now. Great job. Thanks for the pictures.

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You just had to go &.....

Frank Mutchler in Colorado Springs

>do it, Bob. I've been telling myself for a couple of years that I don't need a mill in a woodworking shop & now you went and spoiled everything. ;>)

Very nice work indeed! Sooooo, whatcha gonna charge for all them planes we're gonna start sending you?

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Re: You just had to go &.....

WoodburnBob

>Frank, thanks for the encouraging words. If you watch the Denver papers, ebay and craigslist.org for the next year, I'm certain you'll find a beater mill like mine at a bargain price. Every shop, no matter how small, can always accommodate another essential machine. Right?

Let's see. I'd probably pay a guy in town (no shipping costs) $10 or $20 tops for milling a sole flat. Of course, if he busted my plane in the process, I'd be pissed as hell and expect him to pay me the value of the plane...at least. The guy, here in PDX, would need to report the $20 on Schedule C. So, Federal, State, City, County taxes and SS-Self-Employment would take something like 40%-50% off the top. I guess it's no surprise there aren't battalions of vendors tripping over themselves to offer this sort of service. Thus, the guy who wants this done better get a mill, or befriend some lonely retired machinist in the local neighborhood.

In fact, what all this metal machine messing around mostly does for me is emphasize what an astonishing bargain something like a LN plane actually is.

Don't forget to post pics of your new old mill.

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