scrub plane recommendations?

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Tim of Livermore

>I like the ECE that Lee Valley sells.

Lightweight combined with the appropriately shaped iron are the keys to a scrub plane, IMO.

I cannot imagine how tiring it would be to rapidly move a 3 pound plane around for many hundred strokes...perhaps thousands in a day. It is tiring enough with a 1.5 pound wooden scrub. the nubmers are just a gues....I don't actually keep count of the nubmer of stroked I take ;- ).

Tim

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>I have the ECE scrub also. I just recently started playing with it. I was a bit nervous about the horn configuration but it is really comfortable and fun!!! I think I've even convinced my Normite buddy down the street that he needs one :evil grin:.

Wendell

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Luke Herzberg

>Hey Sam, if you are still a bit new at this (as I am) and just want to try a scrubber, just about any old plane can be made to work. Mine is a #5 with a broken and warped casting. The iron is sharpened very crudely into a radius, and is not very sharp to boot, and it throws piles of chips very quickly and works quite well, IMHO.

As scrubbing relies more on measuring and eyeballing and then locating the plane on the board (rather than relying on the geometry of the plane to do the work), I don't think it takes a super accurate, bronze-bodied, hock ironed, lapped soled, rosewood handled beauty to get it done.

- Luke

Re: scrub plane recommendations? *LINK*

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

>Alf has written a terrific review of the new LV scrub. See the link below.

My own experience with scrubs mainly includes a ECE-type horned woodie and the Stanley #40. I have just received my review LV scrub, and I plan to compare all these on both hard- and softwoods.

At a quick glance, the LV is a monster compared to the #40: bigger, heavier, slightly wider, and a much, much thicker blade. Now, while this might at first sound like a disadvantage in comparison to a lightweight woodie, it is not necessarily such a simple equation. Balance is an important factor, and is it possible for a heavy plane to "feel" light. Heavy might also translate into momentum, which may be particularly helpful when one is scrubbing hardwoods. I have just opened the box, so I cannot say one thing about the LV, and I am curious to find out about it and test these hypotheses. I can say that I like my woodie and my #40, and I use them in all my projects (I do not own a power thicknesser or jointer). Watch this space, and enjoy Alf's review so long.

Regards from Perth

Derek


Alf's review of the LV scrub plane

homemade scrub (Attn Bugbear)

Steve Kubien

>Afternoon Sam,

I am not the kind of person that needs to have the latest thing (I wish I could afford to be). My thinking, (heavily corrupted by the knowledge and experience of others around these parts), led me to make my own. Cheap. Simple. Effective. Below (should be) a picture of what I came up with.

It is a tad longer than a Stanley #4 which is something I would change. I also located the cross pin badly and that explains the huge wedge. Next time I will also open up the mouth even more. Still, for about precious little effort, I've got a working plane and some valuable lessons learned.

Kindest regards,

Steve Kubien

Ajax, Ontario

Joel sells this one also.

Dan Donaldson

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Re: homemade scrub (Attn Bugbear)

Jeremy Osner

>Looks nice -- what wood is it?

Re: homemade scrub (Attn Bugbear)

Steve Kubien

>Reclaimed runner from a skid...3x3 cherry.

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Ted Shuck, Centennial, CO

>I have both a Stanley #40 and a German horned wooden scrub plane. I owned the Stanley before I bought the horned scrub and I just can't seem to get used to the horned scrub.

I use the Stanley scrub a lot. I don't have any 'lectric tools, so it gets used for thicknessing, roughing out raised panels, rough edge jointing, etc...

I am used to using planes with a conventional tote and knob and my hands know where to go on the Stanley and how to control it. I find with the horned scrub that my knuckles tend to get beat up as they are hanging outside the bounds of the plane. I seem to be working with a lower center of gravity and directing the force closer to the wood with the Stanley as well. The horned scrub is lighter, but I don't find that much of an advantage.

Working with hard woods, I would not want a blade any wider than the Stanley #40. If it were wider, I would need to put more camber on it, then it just becomes effectively a narrower blade. I have not tried planes of the 40 1/2 size, but I really don't see the advantage they have over the narrow planes except in soft woods.

Those are my opinions, I am sure you will get many others.

Ted

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

dave caudill

>I have the LN scrub plane and it was one of the first planes I purchased. This came about after my visit to the Center for Furniture Craftsmanship where I learned of them and how to use them. Since that is what they had there and that is what I used it made sense. I also have the Stanley version and it is equally as useful. There are many options and no one is necessarily better than another.

I do think the narrow plane for really rough scrubbing is an advantage as it is not as tiring and it can take quite a deep bite. Wheras a wider plane such as a converted #5 will take a wider swath and therefore the possibility of a lot more wood it set to the same depth as the narrower version. Also I have this thought that if you get into the wood and get under the grain and start a large chip you could make quite a mess with the wider plane. The narrower plane with its not so wide swath and more radiused blade would be less likely to have this problem. Lots of options. If you lived close I'd welcome you over to give mine a try. It is a lot of fun and again the reason for my purchase was really about how amazed I was with the results of this plane. I and two other classmates who were engineers just all looked at one another with our jaws hanging down on the floor in amazement when we used it to flatten rough lumber. Its a fun tool.

Good Luck with your choice.

Dave

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SamW

>I am licking my chops. I now use my 14" Stanley jack plane for scrubbing. It's work!

I'm leaning towards an old Stanley # 40 for now.

Thanks to all for the advice.

I like my #40 also

Doug Littlejohn

>while I am quite new to the dark side, I have been steadily building up my set of planes and now have pretty much all I should ever (did I really say that??) need.

Shortly after my #40 arrived, I put it to use on a small board and boy-oh-boy, everybody is RIGHT!! These are FUN to use!! I was also surprised at how much smaller it was in real life that what I had thought it would be. This is a good thing as many have mentioned, it's easier to make lots of cuts and easy to handle.

I got mine on the 'Bay and am very pleased. I can't wait to use it some more.

Sherwood

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Jack Guzman from Maine

>I searched for a 40 for too long.They were all too pricey on ebay and never saw one in the wild.I finally bent to opinion here and got the ECE.I love it.I don't feel that I need another scrub.It does all I need.---Jack

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Mike L in Trabuco Canyon, CA

>Same story here. The only downside I see to the ECE is that the wood sole is not has durable as iron. Other than that, it's comfortable and hogs off wood without a hitch.

Regards,

Mike

Re: I like my #40 also add me

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>I like my 40 alot. I made a blade out of 01 tool steel for it. I'm pretty sure I picked it up off the bay for 40 with shipping.

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Patrick Gibbons, Houston

>I just received my Veritas Scrub in the mail. A complete surprise (not)- a Father's Day gift from the family. Haven't used it yet, but wanted to facilitate my first drive-by gloat. It is a heavy little termite. The fit and finish do seem too good for the purpose it is intended. I'm going to need it for the next couple of projects and will comment after having used the thing. Hmm, termite. Sounds like a good name for it.

Re: scrub plane recommendations?

Tim of Livermore

>"The only downside I see to the ECE is that the wood sole is not has durable as iron"

I've surfaced a decent amount with my ECE......the sole shows little or no wear. I wouldn't worry about longevity. I'm convinced it would outlast me, even if I were a 17th century apprentice for the rest of my days.

Tim

skip it

Adam Cherubini

>I say skip the scrub. You don't need it. Your #5 is every bit as effective IME.

Scrub planes are nothing more than european jack planes.

Adam

Dark side... wait a minute!

Greg Bétit, Crown Point NY

>I thought the *other* side was the dark one.

Greg -or am I just confused?

Re: skip it

Luke Herzberg

>Surprised to hear you say that, Adam. Do you mean you flatten stock with a regular ol' #5, iron ground square and all?

I am with Adam

Dan Clermont

>I own the ECE scrub and do like it allot.

I do find though that I tend to use an old wooden Bailey jack plane with a cambered blade for most of my roughing work as it tends to sneak up on my dimensioning line with less chance of going to far which can happen with a scrub.

The old wooden jack planes can be had for cheap at garage sales.

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

Re: with all respect

Christof Hartge

>With all respect Adam,

the question if scrub is more effective or not is very much dependent to the task. In the case you have to remove much wood the scrub is much faster than a Jack-Plane.

Second the European scrub is no equivqalent to the Jack. The "Schlichthobel" with a medium crowned blade comes nearer to that.

Third the backs of the old furniture shows very clearly the use of a scrub whereas insides which may bee seen, but only in shadow, show traces of a jack plane, wehreas all fronts are smoothed. I don't think that those old handtool useres would have used a scrub, if it wasn't usefull to them.

Christof.

Sir Wm. on Scrub Planes

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>The other week, William Duffield posted this message on wide vs. narrow scrub planes. It seems to make a lot of sense.

I only have an old Stanley #40, with a Jim Reed Special iron. Seems to work great - but I have no basis for comparison.

Re: with all respect

Adam Cherubini

>In the case you have to remove much wood the scrub is much faster than a Jack-Plane.

Not sure why you think this is true. Traditional scrubs are shorter, otherwise, its just a plane like any other. My German scrub has a round bottom, which I like. Not sure it was made this way, but its nice to use. I don't find it neccessary.

The "Schlichthobel" with a medium crowned blade comes nearer to that.

I plead ignorance to the Schlichthobel. I am only familiar with the standard short continental planes and the langhobel. Didn't know of any in between. Is this s newer plane? A german version of an English jack perhaps?

Third the backs of the old furniture shows very clearly the use of a scrub

My English jack makes similar marks. No way to determine what the plane that made the marks looked like. Also there are few mentions (none that I recall) of scrubs in early English texts. That begs the question how those marks were made then?

BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

TschuB

Adam