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Aaaaaggghh! Plane ding.

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Aaaaaggghh! Plane ding.

Kelby

>I'm a little frustrated.

Last week at the woodworks show in Pomona, I bought a Lie Nielsen 4-1/2. Great. But they were out of them at the show, and said they would ship it to me. Fine.

Today it arrived. I open the package and dutifully hone the blade before using, so that the first shavings are nice. After a couple minutes I can easily shave with it, I put it in the plane and take my first shavings from my workbench-in-progress.

Hmmmm. Something's wrong. Barely getting any shaving, but there's a deep scratch in the wood. Yikes. Right there at the corner of the sole and the sides, there's a big gouge. (I'll try to attach pictures below.)

Well, I know it wasn't me. I ding my tools from time to time, but I was super careful here. It went straight from the box to the wooden surface of my bench, and the plane body never touched anything else.

Sooo, here's my dilemma. Of course I could send it back and demand a replacement. And I would be waiting a couple weeks to get it.

Or I could just flatten it out and live with it.

Now normally, I'm not one of the fussbudgets that freaks out if my tools aren't pretty. To me, dropping something on the concrete and getting it dinged up generally means nothing more than I now have to spend a few minutes fixing it. And truth be told, if I had put the ding in the sole on this plane, it really wouldn't bother me. I figure that before the year is out I will probably drop it more than a few times and there will be plenty of dings in it in my lifetime.

But on the other hand, I didn't put the ding in it. This is the first time I have spent over $300 for a handplane, and it should be right.

So I am torn. I can either ask for a new one, and be without it for another couple weeks, or I can flatten the sole and move on, knowing that my $300 plane came from the factory with a customized ding.

What would you do?


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Clay C in Miami

>I'd send it right back - and, I'd bet that if you call and let them know the situation, the replacement will not take anything like two weeks - indeed, it may arrive before you can ship the old one out ... so you'll get the new one, without much more delay.

I am not compulsive about them either, but I do want them to be just-right for that first few moments!

Clay

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#3

I second that.

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

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#4

Thanks, you talked me into it

Kelby

>As anxious as I was to just flatten the sole and use it, I made myself call Lie Nielsen (at this late hour, I just left a message, of course) and start the process to get it replaced.

For kicks, I ran a few swipes of the plane down the length of the workbench with the nicked edge hanging over the side, so it wouldn't interfere. Wow, does that plane (at least 3/4 of it) cut smoothly. I even planed the wood backwards (into the grain), and you would never know the difference. A perfect surface. They make a mighty fine product, other than the ding.

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Rick Hoppe

>Kelby, if you call them and tell them what the problem is, they will apologize profusely and cheerfully offer to send you a new one which will arrive in less than a week. Not only that, but they will refund to you the amount that you had to pay to ship the one with the ding back.

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#6

Count your blessings.

Chuck Nickerson

>My low angle jack has yet to arrive. I love their chisels, hope I like their planes.

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wayne anderson

>Heck, if it were me, I would tilt the plane on edge and take a few swipes on a piece of 220 grit to put a tiny chamfer along both sides, and be done with it. I prefer to have those little edge chamfers anyway, since most planing is done at an angle. My wife has bought me a few L-N tools over the years, and they have all been perfect. I suspect this is an extremely rare occurance...and by no means a show-stopper. Life is too short to agonize over minute details. My two cents worth. -Wayne

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#9

I'm with you Wayne

Eric Hedberg

>If you use the tool regularly there will be plenty of "beauty marks" to come. The predamage relieves you of the stress and responsibility for the first one. Besides nothing is prettier in my book than a well worn tool. Eric

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Re: I'm with you Wayne

Greg B�tit, Vergennes, VT

>Reminds me of a friend who built a really nice Shaker style work bench. It was so nice that he was afraid to use it. I was using his shop for some project or another and accidently put a fairly major ding on it. After that he could treat it like a work bench instead of furniture.

Greg

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#11

Surely there is a business opportunity here...

Luke Herzberg

>"...simply send in your brand new, unblemished tool and I will break it in for you, saving you from the heartache and providing you with a quality 'user' tool in the end"

Suggested rates:

Scratches : $1 per inch

Small dings : $5 each

Rust starter treatment : $3 per sq inch

Spray paint treatment : $10 any color*

* Chrome paint extra

Options and extra services!

Broken totes : $5-10, dependent on species (duct tape also offered)

Missing parts : available upon request

- Luke, too much coffee this morning

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#12

Crazy like a fox. They do it to furniture, big $$$

Eric Hedberg

>Hey honey, just look how worn out my tools are from all their use. Now do you understand why I need to get those new tools? Eric For whom there is never too much coffee

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Todd Stock

>Call Tom - he'll likely FEDEX out a replacement today, with a return at your leisure. Not certain that he'll pop for Next Business AM, but if you mention that it's an urgent matter, I would not doubt it.

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#14

Coals to Newcastle ...

Clay C in Miami

>"My wife has bought me a few L-N tools over the years."

Wayne's wife buying him L-Ns ... seems sorta like Harry Winston's wife buying him cufflinks at Zale's.

(Wayne - No offense to your wife whatsoever, of course. It even makes sense, as L-N makes lots of non-plane items ... but at first blush, it sure sounds funny.)

Clay

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#15

Don't Bother

Todd Stock

>Given the LN planes I've been receiving lately, the only thing you'll do by attempting to flatten the sole is to waste time and possible introduce unflatness. If we're talking anything other than precision grinding and polishing, or a talented machinist with a scraper and surface plate, you'll just screw it up.

My #5.5 and #7 were both under .001 over the length, which is less than sole movement from an over-tensioned cap.

Try the plane first - flatten and sharpen the blade, then find a nice piece of quilted or curly maple. If you can't pull a sub .001 shaving that you can read small print through, then send it back (or look to your sharpening skills if indicated).

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#16

White latex house paint splatters ...free.

Joe Rogers

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#17

Kelby...you're kidding right???

HC Sakman

>That's a medal of honor. They need to be used and in the shop, these kind of things happen to tools. Otherwise keep them in your library glass showcase; that way they'll never receive any dings.

My 2 cents.

Chico...

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Re: Count your blessings.

Glenn Madsen in the SF Bay area

>I love the chisels, too. The problem I have with their tools is that my credit card won't stay in my wallet, when I walk by their show booth...

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#19

Next time I go to a ww show,

Chuck Nickerson

>I'm only spending money at at the LN booth; no more wasting money on power tools. It's a shame that "Tools for Working Wood" doesn't do shows.

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#21

hand tools only

Glenn Madsen in the SF Bay area

>I already need to build an annex to the hand tool cabinet...

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