Resources for building infill planes?

Re: Resources for building infill planes?

Paul in NJ

>Have you considered a kit from the Shepherd Tool Company? The thumb plane kit I recently finished is very reasonable and probably took me about 20 hours to build.

Paul Dzioba (A satisfied customer!)

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Joe Rogers, Northern Virginia

>Paul beat me to the reply. I would second the suggestion based on your experience level. Doug and Ben hang here now and then and will make sure you're satisfied with the plane.

www.shepherdtool.com/

JR

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Chris McLaughlin

>Anyone interested in doing a group project, e.g. we pick a plane design and we do it together so that we can discuss and benefit from our 'learning experiences'?

cj

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James Watriss

>I've looked at the kits, and honestly, I think I'd prefer starting from scratch. I think kits are fine and good for one-offs, but I learn a lot more about the details starting off from scratch. It's not that I don't think I can do the kit, I just would rather go to the beginning... learn about the design and layout, not just the construction.

I do like the idea of a group effort, but again, the design would need to be done, first.

St. James Bay Tool Co *LINK*

Eric Hedberg

>Has kits, though not as refined (easy to build) I believe as some of the newer ones. I've never built one, but I find the products I buy from them to be quite good. Eric


http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/

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ThomD

>Jim Kingshot did a whole book much of which is one infil planes. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0946819327/qid=1115601478/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_0_2/026-9845491-8914829

The UK side still has this, and your school library might have it too.

There was also a pretty good article on the subject in Fine Woodworking, quite a while back, but again, would the school ahve all the back issues?

It isn't really a difficult project, except that one has to know what makes planes tick, and beyond that, the infil plane is mostly a metal working project. So if that is a foreign field, it can be a problem. A lot of air has been expended on the making of a piece of C-channel, which is hardly a fabrication masterpiece, the adjuster is justa very fine screw, It would sure help to have a lathe and a mill.

Anyone ever tried to make the body by simply Tig welding some SS or Bronze?

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Wendell @ Murphy, TX

>I just recently bought the Kingshott book from one of the used book websites. This book is out of print. I emailed the publisher in England and confirmed this. I've seen a couple copies on Ebay and someone on the OldTools list was selling some copies. From what I've seen, they go for around $60. Anybody know of other books on the subject?

Wendell

Here is good guide: *LINK*

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>Jim Yehle has a good set of illustrated instructions on his web site.


Building An English-style Infill Plane

Discussion of Metal Selection  *LINK*

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

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Metal for Infills Link

Wayne Anderson Peening Advice *LINK*

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>An excerpt from a demo by the famous planemaker:


Wayne Anderson on Peening

Re: Resources for building infill planes?

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Flat stock bronze, brass and low carb steel, and also foundry metals for casting, are available from MSC.

Re: St. James Bay Tool Co

Russ Allen - Chicago

>St James has a lot of stuff in their printed catalog that isn't online. Here's a picture of the lever cap castings they sell. I don't have my catalog with me but IIRC they are around $15 each in a couple of different widths.

Gloatably I stopped in to see them last month!

Russ

Funny you should ask...

Doug Evans

>Late last week ole Ben decided that he was gonna take on the challenge of bein' the new webmaster for our site and despite my aprehensions, he dove right in and the changes have been coming non-stop since.

About a month or two ago, I started PDF'n some of the manuals and for awhile now, I have had these clips of plane buildin' basics. Of course, once Ben gets a hankerin for making changes - he's like a Japanese Bullet train on steroids. He has a couple of the clips up there now and I expect, he will have a few more by the end of the day.

I think you'll all agree - that lad really is a pretty fart smeller when it all comes down to it!

I'm kinda lookin' forward to doing our first video newsletter.

Doug

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Peter Michaux

>I have read Kingshott's book. Seems like he really knew what he was talking about. A really great book to read. If you are going to follow it there is a website that has some errata.

http://home.xnet.com/~rcallen/kingshott.html

Cool project. Good luck!

-Peter

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What I've learned about sharpening plane blades

http://members.shaw.ca/petermichaux/workshop/BevelDownSharpening.html


Kingshott Website

Re: Resources for building infill planes? *LINK*

Peter Michaux

>You do not want sheet metal. You are after bar stock. I count myself lucky to live near a metal supermarkets store. They sell small amounts of metal for what seems to me to be reasonable prices. There is a store finder on their website to see if there is a store near you. Link below.

-Peter


http://www.metalsupermarkets.com/

that's my site! *LINK*

Russ Allen - Chicago

>Peter,

The page you referenced is mine. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with additional comments on Kingshott's book.

Since no one else has mentioned it, I've included the link to Jerry Schueller's page on metal dovetailing.

Russ


practice dovetails

WOW! excellent references THANKS!

Frank D. in Montreal

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Holy Cow!!! Thanks. :)

James Watriss

>Thanks to all of you... clearly there's a lot for me to delve into, so this is going to be a VERY interesting project, I can tell already.

Re: Jim Yeyle great site

paul womack

>How soon they forget...

Infill information

BugBear

Re: Jim Yeyle great site

Chris McLaughlin

>Jim's site is great. But the mouth of the plane always seems to magically appear about halfway through the project. Maybe I'm just reading too fast, but this is the point I always screw up on my planes and I'm looking for a good explanation of how to cut the mouth without ending up with a gaping hole.

Patience with a handfile is probably one of the keys, I'm sure.

CJ

Re: Jim Yeyle great site

paul womack

>Jim's site is great. But the mouth of the plane always seems to magically appear about halfway through the project.

That's OK. Just use Jim's site for what it's good at; if he's not good on mouths, just take your peening technique from Jim.

Read EVERYTHING!

BugBear

Cutting the mouth

Jim Yehle in Salt Lake

>Here's how I did it. Remove the bulk of the waste by "line drilling" in a drill press, using either a big drill bit (maybe 1/16 smaller than the eventual mouth width) to make one row of holes, or else a smaller bit, with which you'll follow the perimeter, always keeping on the waste side. Line drilling means drilling a series of holes which nearly touch one another. (Too close, and the drill will be drawn into its already-drilled neighbor; too far, and it will take longer to saw and file to connect them.) Use a short drill bit, or chuck it short to prevent deflection. Now connect the dots using a jeweler's saw, needle files, and/or hacksaw. File off the ripples to the layout lines. Your layout lines need to be accurate. The throat backing plate behind the mouth should already be in place and filed or milled to the correct angle. Now start filing the bevels.

I have so far had a milling machine available for cutting the mouth of planes I've made, so that saved me some work filing the bevels. Even so, I still started out using the line drilling technique for hogging out the mouth. You want the bed to be perfectly flat across the sole, throat plate, and infill which will come later.

Hope that helps.

--Jim

email: jry@x.mission.com (just kidding--remove the . after the x)

Darryl Hutchinson, Bristol Designs

Jim Yehle in Salt Lake

>Plate steel, brass and bronze I bought from industrial supply houses like MSC and McMaster-Carr. My local Metals Supermarket doesn't have much brass & bronze. Make sure that you get brass/bronze that you plan to peen in its annealed state, or anneal it yourself. I notice that Wayne Anderson peens the sole (like Shepherd kits) so it's not as much of an issue if your sole is steel and sides bronze. I have only tried peening the sides.

I really like Darryl Hutchinson's adjuster design, and he also makes nice irons.

darryljhutchinson@hotmail.com

His business is called Classic Planes, but I don't have the web site, and I turned up empty-handed after cursory googling. You can see some of his complete planes at Inchmartine Tool Bazaar.

I used a Bristol Designs adjuster and lever cap in my panel plane, and am pleased with both.

Bristol Design

14 Perry Rd.

Bristol BS1 5BG

England

011 44 117 929 1740

100010.1433@compuserve.com

Charles Stirling, in addition to his old tools business, makes hand-forged carving tools, chisels, froes, etc.

Both operations are British.

--Jim

email jry@x.mission.com (remove the . after x)

Re: Darryl Hutchinson, Bristol Designs

Don Thompson - Cutler Ridge, Florida

>The web site is ClassicPlanes.com.